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I don't doubt your own experience.

 

That is also the theological definitions of dispensationalism, one of which I posted above. They believe that there are certain dispensations from God throughout history in different times and places and then they come to the future and they believe that they are not going to see the Anti-Christ and suffer under him because they say that Jesus is going to rapture them out of the world at that point. I plan to wave good-bye to them since I am not a dispensationalist and therefore ineligible as far as I know.

 

I understand dispensationalism. I also understand that not all dispensationalists hold the exact view you are sharing. Some see the dispensation switching at the mid-trib and some see the dispensation switching at the end of the tribulation.
Whether you can accept it or not, there are many different views in dispensationalism. Some get labeled hyper-dispensationalists because they break up the Bible into even more different modes by which God changes his process with his creation.

 

The disarray in the ranks of dispensationalism must be staggering. Maybe it is crumbling after 200 years. To me myself, pre-trib and mid-trib are almost alike but I think that Dallas teaches pre-trib. It is illogical that Dallas would teach post-trib as dispensationalism since it contradicts Darby and Scofield, for example. I do not find any definitions that follow your formula so if you find one, please post it.

 

Not just "good' Christians, all Christians.

 

Now how can I be raptured pre-trib or mid-trib when I don't believe a word of dispensational eschatology? I will wave good-bye to you guys, OK?

 

First, 200 years is generous regarding dispensationalism. It truly is a USA theology that tends to view the Bible as though the United States is the promised land and its citizens are the people of God. It's prideful and arrogant at its core.

Second, the rapture is just a small part of dispensationalism. That post-trib is a smaller view, not in the mainstream, does not mean it's not a part of dispensational theology. It's simply not mainstream.

Third, you are wanting a formula, which is very much what happens when the Bible is broken down into a legalistic document and God is explained as one who continually changes approaches over time.

What I find in dispensationalism is that people say "grace," but then they create legalism as the process of life.

 

So you don't have any evidence to support your viewpoint.

 

You can believe what you want. It doesn't matter. No matter the position of dispensationalism, the whole group is wrong.

 

You have no evidence even defining what dispensationalism is or is not so your statement becomes meaningless.

 

Problem with Post and Mid is the issue of knowing the day and hour. Only the Pre-trib position makes the second coming unknown. Post-trib in particular makes it easily known.

 

Honestly, there is zero need for anyone to agree with your version that only pre-trib or mid-trib can only be in the dispensational camp.
I have met dispensationalists who argue whether it's a post-trib or pre-millenial rapture . Dispensationalists become so trapped in the minutia of their timeline that they end up arguing over silly things. I consider this discussion to be one of those silly things you won't drop.

 

You have no evidence.

 

That's not THE tribulation. Thats being light in the world.

 

Pre trip is inevitable if you are rightly diving the bible .

 

No rapture, no pre-trib. Just tribulation and then the King returns.

Daniel 7:25-28

He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ “Here is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my color changed, but I kept the matter in my heart.”

2 Peter 3:1-13
This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Rightly divide the Bible, Barry. Know that it is only in the last 150 years that anyone dreamed up the rapture (pre-trib).

 

Isaac Newton tried to hold the "dogs" at bay for 300 years? I do not think it worked out that well. This year or next being 40 years sooner must mean his data points were in error and not his math. If he was "guessing" that far off, why not just use a round number like 2000 urars from the Cross? 30AD + 2000 = 2030; the most important day on earth + 2 Lord's Days.

 

The 7th Trumpet covers the whole 42 months of Satan's authority. So at the sound the Victory was complete and the sound was to go on the whole 8 days. Then there is an interruption. A 42 month interruption. The 7th Trumpet continues until the battle of Armageddon is complete. It only last 1 hour on the 8th day. So mid and post are not even relative to time. The 7th Trumpet covers both events. No one can prove a rapture happens prior to during or after the 1 hour battle of Armageddon. It is nonsense because the last trumpet started it's blast before the 42 months even started. The battle of Armageddon is the end of it's sounding. All is over by that time. Christ is on earth. It would be a tiptoe, not a rapture into the clouds. Actually all would be on their knees wishing they had been in the army with Christ instead of on earth with Satan. But that all is fantasy teaching about a post event.

Because the 7th Trumpet rapture would happen before Satan's 42 months period if the point is based on John's last Trumpet. Any one crazy enough to listen to a trumpet for 42 months and wonder why they are still standing on the ground, missed the whole point that Paul says they would be gone when the trumpet started to sound, not 42 months later when it stops.

Paul did not see the vision or actually experienced the event like John did. Let's say the church meets the Lamb in the air, but Paul was not privileged to state the Lamb would also hang around for a few years even before the 7th Trumpet was sounded. It is the same event that ends with the 7 Trumpets so the 7th Trumpet is still relative but not exact. Paul does not mention the 7 seals, the 6 trumpets and the 7 thunders. Paul only mentions the 7th trumpet, and that is only assuming the 7th Trumpet of John is what Paul was even addressing.

As for a rapture, there is only one and only one Second Coming. It is the 6th seal event of John regardless of what Paul was trying to convey. Anything else would be an ascension with the Lamb, not a rapture. The Lamb is here on earth with God on the throne to carry out the final harvest. The Lamb only leaves because Satan is given 42 months without interference by God or the Lamb. No meeting of the church in the air. The church is complete and presented to God on the throne at the 6th seal. They church is in Paradise while the final harvest takes place. The Groom is now preparing this world for the last 1000 years. The church is not mentioned as ever leaving Paradise. But no logistics are given after the 6th seal. John only deals with the harvest and the end of Adam's 6000 years of sin and death.

 

It is. 150 years ago the shift went even further south than a separation between the rapture and second coming.

They both were always before Satan's 42 months. But some idiot had the bright idea to preach about a nonsense, nonexistent AC that comes first. If the AC comes first then Christ just has to be last. Satan was jumping up and down with glee. Really folks, Jesus Christ has to come last!!???