Whats wrong with Calvinists ?

[George Antonios]

John 8

Verse.

 

[Yeshua1]

let me ask you this, do you think that the NASB and ESV translations are also Inspired by the Holy Spirit?

he does not!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yet again, that depends on the dispensation/age.
In the church age it's Biblical.
In the tribulation and the millennial kingdom it's not Biblical.

can you explain without a video clip?

 

[George Antonios]

No translation is inspired!

Prove that with scriptures.

 

[SavedByGrace]

he does not!

is he KJVO?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Prove that with scriptures.

moot argument!

 

[George Antonios]

moot argument!

So you can't. Noted.

 

[Yeshua1]

Because Calvinists, due to Lordship salvation, only find out for sure if they were one of the elect after a lifetime of persevering. You haven't yet persevered a lifetime so you could still potentially fall away and have it turn out that you weren't one of the elect after all.
Fancy this. A non-Calvinist who "doesn't" understand Calvinism explaining it to a Calvinist.
We had an entire thread about this.

O know am saved right now, due to be sealed by the Holy Spirit!

 

[SavedByGrace]

So you can't. Noted.

can you prove from Scripture, that we ONLY have 66 Books in the Holy Bible, as approved by God? Can you prove from Scripture, that the Roman Catholic bible with the Apocrypha, is not to be accepted?

 

[Yeshua1]

Romans 11:25 KJV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Jesus also stated that he is the Shepherd over both Jews and Gentiles flock! Both in the Church of Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a statement contradicted by scripture and taught by no "Calvinist" that I know. Certainly the Doctrines of Grace do not teach that Perseverance of the Saints means "You cannot know that you are a Saint until you have Persevered to the end". It teaches exactly the opposite. The Saints, the Elect, those CHOSEN by God will persevere to the end because God is able to make them persevere to the end. Charles Spurgeon taught no such nonsense as you claim. R.C.Sproul taught no such nonsense as you claim.

So once again, a non-Calvinist that is an expert on what Calvinists believe raising up and tearing down yet another strawman.
[Sigh] I would claim to be surprised, but the truth is this is just "par for the course".

Sola Gratia
Sola Fide
Solus Christus
Sola Scriptura
Soli Deo Gloria

we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, as in glorification of this body, so how is it cannot be sure yet?

 

[George Antonios]

O know am saved right now, due to be sealed by the Holy Spirit!

I don't deny that. I'm saying you can't know that 100% based on the Calvinist system, because in that system you only find out that you're assuredly one of the elect after dying after a lifetime of persevering. So your works are practically your assurance.

 

[Yeshua1]

it is those who peddle this heresy of "sola fide", as though it is taught in the Bible, who are really arguing with God Himself! Jesus VERY CLEARLY says, that ALL sinners must "REPENT and BELIEVE" (Mark 1:15), NOT just "faith" which is a FALSE teaching! I would like you to respond to this passage from Mark.

Repent from our own efforts and food works to get saved!

 

[George Antonios]

Jesus also stated that he is the Shepherd over both Jews and Gentiles flock! Both in the Church of Christ!

Well of course. But the body is Gentile, like Rebekah, Asenath, Zipporah, Rahab, Ruth, and the daughter of Pharaoh - all Gentile women married to a Jewish royal seed.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Repent from our own efforts and food works to get saved!

from SIN!

 

[George Antonios]

Repent from our own efforts and food works to get saved!

Again, it depends on the dispensational context.

 

[AustinC]

Of course, as a body.

This makes no sense.
God has always saved both Jew and Gentile (as a body) from Adam and Eve onward to the day of the Lord.
What I don't see in scripture is a "Church Age" as you have suggested. I wonder where that is suggested in the Bible as it seems to be a dispensational philosophy.

 

[George Antonios]

can you prove from Scripture, that we ONLY have 66 Books in the Holy Bible, as approved by God? Can you prove from Scripture, that the Roman Catholic bible with the Apocrypha, is not to be accepted?

Sure.

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Christ establishes the 3 divisions of the Hebrew Bible as canon and the Apocrypha isn't in either of those 3.
As for the 66 books, they are all quoted in the New Testament except Esther and Obadiah I think, don't quote me exactly but that's what I recall from my own study a while back. Then again, most of those books were joined together, so Obadiah for example was part of the book of prophets, so it's confirmed that way.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus says that BOTH Repentance AND Faith are required to get saved. anything else is a false gospel!

was there a Gospel preached before salvation was actually accomplished?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Again, it depends on the dispensational context.

as a pastor, do you always answer people from your church like this?