Featured Loss of salvation---the Extent

At issue is who does the saving. Ourselve holding on to God by our choice to believe or God who saves us not of ourselves but His gift saving us and keep us which we cannot do for ourselves.

 

New Testament:

2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
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Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

 

Excellent question.

The difference for us Christians is that we will be free from the sinful flesh and having glorified bodies and our spirits are one with the Lord which is far more than what innocent Adam or even the angels had/have - so we if can sin, so could God.

But that's only true for the church. People saved in other dispensations don't have our set-up. Hence the tree of life for them (not the church): Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

I don't have a better answer for the non-church saved. I've wondered about that myself. What's to keep other angels of falling in the future? Dunno.

 

Asked and answered. I gave you the answer, with several points. You rejected that answer. There is nothing more to give you. 2 + 2 = 4. When that is rejected, what more can be given you? I can tell you that 2 + 2 = 1 + 1 + 1 +1, or 2 + 2 = 2 * 2, or 2 + 2 = 8 - 4, or 2 + 2 = A / B, where A = 16, B = 4, but they all mean the same thing in the end, and the simplest answer was provided in 2 + 2 = 4. You have the simplest answer already. Go back, read carefully. If you have any specific questions about the points, then ask about those specific points for clarification, otherwise, speak with those Calvin worshippers who continually idolize the heresy of Calvin's OSAS to cease from their non-helpful input, since they are not addressing the OP, nor the question to the OP.

 

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Once again, this is a gross misinterpretation on your part. NOT at all what Paul meant by 'believe in vain'.

 

Read and see what God tells you. If you accept the verses I provided regarding God's Sovereign ordination, you will see that Revelation 21:3-4 answers your question. Will you accept what God tells you?

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Does God keep his promises, Quantrill?

 

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)]

"αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην", Their ‘passage over’ from death into life has already taken place,—from the state of spiritual death into that ζωὴ αἰώνιος, which in their believing state they ἔχουσι already. All those who have been truly "born-again" by God the Holy Spirit, are said to be "already passover" from spiritual death, to eternal life, which begins the moment the person is saved. "sealed by the Holy Spirit". So in Ephesians 1:13, "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death" (John 8:51)

"θανατον ου μη θεωρηση εις τον αιωνα", literally, shall certainly not behold death for ever: i.e. shall never behold or experience death. The "born-again" believer has already passed spiritually from "death to life", after they are saved, and can never experience the "second death"

"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28)

"και ου μη απολωνται εις τον αιωνα και ουχ αρπασει τις αυτα εκ της χειρος μου", . the use of the double negative in the Greek, "ου μη", is a very emphatic denial that those who have been given this eternal life, can "never, not ever, to the ages perish", and neither can anyone snatch them out of My Hand, and the next verse, "My Fathers Hand". Such is the eternal security of the believer. This is same promise that Jesus makes in John 11:25-26, "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" > "shall never die", ου μη αποθανη εις τον αιωνα, "never, not ever, to the ages perish". the same double negative in the Greek, "ου μη", is used.

"unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Peter 1:4-5)

"incorruptible", ἄφθαρτος, that is, eternal, immortal.
"guarded", which is, φρουρέω, describe the fortress in which or the garrison by which the Christian is guarded. And the One Who is gurading the believer, is ALMIGHTY GOD!

 

I do not understand your objection,here or in 2016.
It seems the verses you offered said the exact same thing.
What do you think believe in vain means?
I think it means to no purpose.

from the other link;
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Nonsense....he preached saving truth

There is nothing theoretical about it....

Some denied the resurrection..
..he corrected them
1 Corinthians 15King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved,
if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.

At this point there is nothing theoretical at all....and he cautions against a non saving belief. In 3-7...he puts the spotlight on the scriptures that Andy Stanley wants to look away from......
there were people looking to deny the resurrection...he is getting to them, but does not fully do so until vs 12.....it is two different discussions;

 

Yes! To no purpose.

...except ye believed in vain....if Christ hath not been raised, your faith is vain

But thank God, Christ HAS been raised, our faith is not vain. Our faith has purpose.

You are inserting FALSE BELIEVERS into this text when Paul is addressing SAINTS.

 

Your question begs this question:
Who secured salvation in the first place; was it man, by his own merit, or was it God, by grace alone?

My answer is found here:

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

 

Without you giving context of your argument, . ..

I fail to hear any truth to this opening argument.

 

I agree that in most all of the epistles Paul is writing to the saints.
The wheat grows alongside the trees until the harvest.
There were those denying the resurrection...like 2tim.2:14-19
The warning is given and they are instructed to mark and avoid any doing or teaching such a falsehood.
Warning passages are a good thing as it indicates that rates pose a danger to people making an profession.

 

Ok. So, simply how does one whom God has saved become lost?