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The eternal subordination of the Word.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Oct 30, 2020.

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  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    "The Son" is what you're saying?

    "Two natures" is different than I think you want to say.

    Jesus is/was God in the Flesh, as we beheld His Glory, as of The Only Begotten Son of The Father, however, His Acceptance to His Role(s) as the Son doesn't change His Being God the Son, the Second Person in The One Divine Nature of the One Eternal Godhead.

    This has to do with Jesus' Active and Passive Obedience to His Office, with Respect to The Office of The Father....

    ....all of which, Jesus is in Perfect Agreement as the Co-Planner of The Eternal Covenant of Grace, the Second Person of The Triune Godhead, Who IS God.
     
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    Perhaps you would address this question for me?

    Did Jesus, during His earthly ministry, not use any of His divine attributes; instead, He only relied on empowerment from God the Father/God Holy Spirit for all miracles?

    I know Jesus never ceased to be God.

    peace to you
     
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    I meant what I said. I hold the Son of God was always the Son, always the Word, always with the God as tbe Son of God, being always a distinct Person from God and also always the one and the same God too. His incarnation was a change how He was with the God and was not a change from being the one and the same God as His Father. John 1:1-3.
     
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    I believe that Jesus did not use any of HIs divine attributes but instead did everything through the Spirit.

    For example, Jesus did not walk on water on his own accord but through faith (which I believe is indicated in his words to Peter).

    So Jesus could have done the miracles by His own power, but He did not do anything of His own accord but remained obedient to do the will of the Father, and I believe by the empowering of the Spirit.
     
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    Thanks. Well stated. I’m tending toward that understanding myself.

    What doctrinal implications might be impacted?

    peace to you
     
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    I wonder why the Word used, a woman, to send the Word made flesh into the world, a virgin woman, no less.
     
  7. Alan Gross

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    So God is God is God is God and Jesus changed.

    The Father Works hitherto and I Work.

    "With God".

    Whatever you meant what you said, stop it, until you have something to say in words.

    The Word became flesh and we beheld His Glory...
     
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    Let's call her a virgin mother who have birth to a child, and for that reason, because God the Father Elected that child's body to be Indwelt by His Son.

    "A body hath thou Prepared for Me".
     
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    I know you can get a reference to a book of writings on Jesus on your own.

    Jesus was The Godhead Bodily.

    Jesus Had The Spirit without Measure.

    Jesus Will Raise the dead from the bottom of the sea.

    Jesus is the Same.

    Jesus is Returning any second.

    ( In Gill's Body of Divinity, here, I will place the last Spiritual Reign of Christ with the same thing as the Session of Christ at the Right Hand of God, because that is what all Bible on The End Times Teaches; with no 'Personal Reign', other than in The New Heaven and The New Earth, although Gill has plenty of other things mixed up into 'the Spiritual Reign', just as any others who do not see Jesus' Return being any second.)

    BOOK V.

    OF THE GRACE OF CHRIST IN HIS STATES OF HUMILIATION AND EXALTATION, AND IN THE OFFICES EXERCISED BY HIM IN THEM.

    Of the Incarnation of Christ †
    Of Christ's State of Humiliation †
    Of the Active Obedience of Christ †
    Of the Passive Obedience of Christ †
    Of the Burial of Christ †
    Of the Resurrection of Christ †
    Of the Ascension of Christ †
    Of the Session of Christ at the Right Hand of God †
    Of the Prophetic Office of Christ †
    Of the Priestly Office of Christ †
    Of the Intercession of Christ †
    Of Christ's Blessing his People as a Priest †
    Of the Kingly Office of Christ †
    Of the Spiritual Reign of Christ
     
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    Thought that Jesus was acting subordinate while in the Incarnation phase of His existence?
     
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    Jesus was still fully God at that time!
     
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    did you not see the word "eternal"? this cannot be limited to Jesus Incarnation!
     
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    I know that, what is your point here?
     
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    Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega , is that not God?
     
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    Yes, but was spoken while in the limitation of the flesh in the Incarnation though!
     
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    Reacting towards the statement that Jesus was not God in revelation
     
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    And that Jesus was "The God?"
     
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    Jesus was and is fully God and fully Human, correct?
     
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    Jesus is "The God" also, correct?
     
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    He was operating in obedience to the father while on earth!
     
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