37818
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Check the Greek text of John 1:1. Nevertheless He is the one and the same God.
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The eternal subordination of the Word.
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SavedByGrace
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Yes, why have I said something that causes you to doubt this I believe in the full Deity of Jesus?
SavedByGrace
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who said this?
SavedByGrace
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indeed, but never forget that "He humbled Himself" (Philippians 2:8)
37818
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Man is not God and God is not a man. Now Jesus Christ is both, agreed?
Alan Gross
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We beheld His Glory is the context. Anything other than Jesus is God is contextually impossible regardless of Greek 'possibilities'.
SavedByGrace
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and how is the fact, that Jesus Christ, the eternal God, became flesh, have anything to do with any "eternal subordination"? You are reading too much human mumbo-jumbo into the Bible!
37818
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jesus is a man. Jesus being the Christ was a man and always God before His human birth and forever since. Now the Greek in the text as to who was "the God" and who was "God" in John 1:1 was at issue.
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37818
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You cannot understand what you do not want to hear. John 1:2, 1 Corinthians 15:28.
SavedByGrace
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But He was NOT a "man", which is what Jesus derived from Mary at the Incarnation! The Bible very clearly says that, "The Word BECAME flesh" (John 1:14), and "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16), which Jesus was NOT piror to His Incarnation! The Bible does NOT tell us what "body" Jesus had in His OT appearances, but we do know it was ONLY at His Incarnation, that He BECAME flesh, which is clear that He was NOT "flesh (human)" before this time!
37818
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What is the rank heresy? If so, report the post!
SavedByGrace
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Neither John 1:2, or 1 Corinthians 15:28, teach ANY "eternal subordination"! You are forcing this meaning!
SavedByGrace
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Christ was a man and God before His human birth
and I have reported it!
Jesus BECAME FLESH at His Incarnation, which means that before this He was NOT. To say otherwise is HERESY!
Alan Gross
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What is time as Lamb Slain before the Foundation of the World?
SavedByGrace
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God is NOT controlled by the limits of time, so to Him, everything is ever present! Jesus was foretold to have been "slain before the foundation of the world, but atually died on the cross in about A.D. 33. Are you suggesting that Jesus died before the world was created? this is more nonsense!
37818
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I never have claimed Jesus Christ was a man before His incarnation.
I agree, that would be. He became the man Jesus in His incarnation.
37818
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Slain before the Foundation of the World is not Biblical.
37818
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How? How is being someone other than God in John 1:2 not a matter of being subordinate? How is being in subjection to God in 1 Corinthians 15:28 not a matter of being subordinate? These two issues need to be answered first before the issue of being eternal.
The Word was with "the God", and was also "the God"
Jesus eternally God, who became a man, one who was without a sin nature!
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