Politics vs The Kingdom

We all are not being given the same instructions, without a doubt.

Apply your basic three to this. An intruder comes into your home to steal your child for body parts, or for perversion, or for profit. How do you love people then? How do you love God then? You say we are created in the image of God. True. Yet we are a fallen race. So, will you tell your child as they are being forced out the door that God loves you and you're praying for them? Will you tell the intruder that you love him and will be praying for him as he takes your child away?

Can you apply your basic three to that real scenario that can and does occur. Will you answer my questions in post #(30)?

Quantrill

 

Ok you can make fun of my saying Jesus might have voted if He were here.

Are you a citizen of the USA?
Did you receive a ballot?
Did the authorities request that you vote?
By not voting did you go against, for your conscience's sake, the powers that are ordained of God?

OK.
How about this one?

If you are involved in an accident and there is more than $500 worth of damage don't you have to report it to the authorities and (yuk) your insurance company?
Isn't that an involvement and if there is another party or parties involved aren't there often legal entanglements?
What if they say, "Oh snap! Here is a guy with a little dough.
Let's sue the pants off him."
Aren't you going to do something to protect yourself from this entanglement?
Or, wouldn't just allowing them to do that to you without cause be just like Jesus?

I hope something like that does not happen to any of us.

 

Yes you took a weaker point in my "argument" and spent most of your time defeating it without answering the main point.

If you are not suggesting I adopt your convictions why post anything at all?
Aren't you trying to influence just a little bit?

You get entangled and sometimes ticked off in the theology discussions.
People over there sometimes make it a point to goad you.
Aren't you trying to influence and clarify your opinions over there?
That is entanglement for Christ?

You have to get entangled, even without your consent, in this life in other things outside of the faith is all I'm saying.
And of course I'm upset that our government sanctions the murder of those that will have no chance whatsoever to be "entangled".

Paul said to slaves if they had a chance to be free to take it (1 Corinthians 7:21).
Doesn't that involve entanglement in the system?
Entanglement for good.

It's not about you suing people it's about them suing you without cause.
You would just give in and pay your house and life savings with not only you but your family suffering for it?
Lawyers like to squeeze for a drop of blood and they would not stop suing you if you quoted your grandma.

 

I believe that neglect is a sin, both neglect of those people and things entrusted into my care, and neglect of myself.

I do have permission to guard myself and my people and sometimes even my things. But I would need to use the least force and judgement possible as I did that. I need to remember that the person I am guarding against is a human that might be saved in the future. I want him to live if he can. It is not MY place to judge or punish, but I can and must be a good steward.

 

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

This quote:

In fact, Paul teaches that we are to respect differences in conscience and not persuade others to our views.

That is about eating meat or being a vegetarian, right?

You think it's about everything?

 

I have not heard this. Thank you!

 

I like that, it is a little gentler than I probably would have put it, but it expresses my feelings quite well.

 

I am a 95 pound women. When I say less gentle things, people laugh so hard at me they cry, and sometimes fall to the floor. But I've been told by some very large men, that "pound for pound", I am kinda not gentle. They tend to use vulgar words that I wouldn't repeat here, but they meant it as a compliment, I think.

Life is not always easy when we leave behind theory and the rubber hits the road. Thankfully God knows we are human and there is such a thing as grace.

 

Yes, you need to use appropriate force. Sometimes that may involve killing someone. So, to love God and love people does not remove your responsibility in dealing with fallen man when he is a threat to you and yours.

Politics addresses the same. In fact, that is the very core, the very beginning of human government. You say we are to love God and man because man is created in the image of God. Then God says, (Gen. 9:5-6), that man is to kill any man who murders another because we are in God's image. That is the origin of human government. God was establishing government and politics. Man was responsible to God to execute his fellow man. Why? Because it slows down the decay process of fallen man that resulted in the flood.

But, then you have those that say, "we shouldn't have the death penalty cause we just need to love God and man". Or they say, "we shouldn't get involved so much concerning politics because we just need to love God and man." It sounds so spiritual, but it is actually ignoring their responsibility that God has given.

Quantrill

 

I have a saying, “You have to be a strong man to be a gentleman.” …so true in many ways, such as you need physical strength when gently setting down a heavy object or for extending grace which comes from a position of spiritual strength. Yes, there are many forms of strength and it comes in all sizes.

 

Ok wine and meat to idols and sitting in an idol restaurant while someone with a weaker conscience watches and is destroyed.

So why as a matter of conscience, do you make public posts and do not show how you as a citizen don't have to fight abortion by your vote?

Your "soldier's" conscience is destroying me.

 

Define entanglement

 

I hear people say all the time how the GOP has failed to make changes to end abortion. Couldnt be further from the truth.