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Yes well this was not just everything Satan does. Job belonged to God all along. God test the faith of every man.Satan was allowed to do certain things in restriction because Job belonged to God. The things that were done ended in a blessing in the end for Job he actually ended up better off than before Satan on the other hand was made to be the no good liar that he is. Our faith is tested David some more than others. It is usually always involving Satan and the pleasures of sin.It appears to me that Faith with out it being tested cannot be trusted.
This is not every thing Satan does He is always looking for someone to devour. He got Peter to deny Christ three times and Thomas still believed Christ was dead for eternity all of the twelve scattered like roaches when the light comes on Old Satan laughed his head off as they all headed for the hills. Yet everything ends up for good to those who believe.,
MB

 

I already addressed this Dave. It's more nuanced than that.

 

If you say so.

But to me, it clearly says that the Gospel is hidden from them that are lost, my friend.
I do agree that there are nuances to it...

It's not that they will believe it, but that Satan blinds them "just in case".

 

And why is that? could it be because of the next verse?

14 if by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
Definition of emulation;
A desire of preferment, or of honor; a desire of excellence or superiority. It is used in a good sense; as, emulation may spring from a laudable ambition. It denotes also an inordinate desire of power, or eminence, often accompanied with illegal means to obtain the object. It is sometimes followed by of; as, a man has an ambition of wit. Milton has used the word in the Latin sense of going about, or attempting; but this sense is hardly legitimate.
MB

 

Read the book of Job, MB.

 

Huh?

You said that Romans wasn't written to Gentiles...
I gave you a passage that clearly states that Paul was speaking to Gentiles.

 

Show me where God said to Satan I give you permission to do anything. You are carrying your philosophy to far.Satan has freewill and not even you can prove differently. He may be restrained from some things this I would agree to yet he has the freedom to do what he does. You still would make God a pardner in Satan's lies. Allowing something is not permission to do it. God used Satan in the instance of Job because God knew what Satan would do and restrained him in it.
MB

 

Here, look at this:

" Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord." ( Job 1:6-12 ).

" And Satan answered the Lord, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he [is] in thine hand; but save his life." ( Job 2:4-6 ).

Where ever did you get the idea, from Scripture, that Satan is any more than just a created being who is under God's rule like the rest of us?
His freewill goes exactly as far as God allows it to go.

See above in the Scriptures I gave.
Those don't describe God giving Satan permission?

I believe that it is, but I can't speak for David.

 

I looked at your posts and my post again, and it seems that I agree with you more than I disagree.
My apologies for the post afterwards, sir....

Not sure what I was on about.

 

Amen, Scott, and well-said.

 

Why is Satan doing the blinding of those already born blind ? Why the hardening of already born hard hearts ?

 

They are left...in the state they were in...

and it is expressed to us, as "Why is Satan doing the blinding of those already born blind ? Why the hardening of already born hard hearts ?

Psalm 145:9.

The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.

adopted from: https://www.grace-ebooks.com/library/John Gill/JG_Cause of God and Truth The.pdf

The doctrines of election and reprobation, and of particular redemption, are represented as contrary to the general mercy and the goodness of God expressed in this passage: with a view to these doctrines, it is asked by one writer, "Why is it said, that his tender mercies are over all his works if they are so restrained from his most noble creatures?"

And it is observed by another, "That it should not be said, his tender mercies are over all his works: but his cruelties are over all his works."

To which I reply,

I. That the said doctrines do not restrain the tender mercies of God in a providential way, of which this text only speaks, as will be shown hereafter, from any of his creatures;

....no, not even from the non-elect, or those who have no share in the special grace and favor of God, and who are not eventually saved; though these should not be reckoned God’s most noble creatures: for surely they are not nobler than the elect of God, or those who are saved with everlasting salvation; or nobler than the angels, who stand, and never left their first estate in which they were created.

Admitting also that these doctrines carried in them ideas of cruelty, and want of compassion in God to those who are rejected by him, and excluded from redemption by Christ; yet it should not be concluded from hence, that the cruelties of God are overall his works;

....since, according to the known tenor of these doctrines, some of God’s creatures are chosen by him to eternal life, redeemed by the blood of Christ, and shall be certainly and eternally saved.

II. The said doctrines are not expressive of cruelty in God to mankind, nor inconsistent with his goodness and mercy; nor do they represent God less good, or less merciful, than the doctrines of conditional election and universal redemption do;

....nay, they represent him more merciful than these do, since they ascertain the salvation of some, whereas these leave the salvation of every man. precarious and uncertain, if not impossible, depending upon the mutable will of the creature.

III. These words are to be understood not of special mercies, or saving benefits, bestowed by God upon any of his creatures;

....but of his providential goodness, which extends to them all, even to the brutal world, to all irrational as well as rational creatures, as appears from verses 15, 16, compared with Psalm 147:8, 9, who have no concern in election and redemption;

....so that if these words should be so understood, as to relate to the blessings of spiritual and eternal salvation, they would prove too much, more than our opponents desire;

....namely, that these blessing are provided for, and extend unto irrational creatures, yea, even to all the works of God, of every kind and sort.

Therefore, IV. The said doctrines are not at all repugnant to these universal expressions of God’s goodness and mercy; since the non-elect, or such who have no saving benefit by the death of Christ, have a share in the providential goodness and tender mercies of God; who makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust, and is kind to the unthankful and to the evil: nay, oftentimes the worst of men have the greatest share of the good things of this World;

.... their eyes stand out with fatness, and they have more than heart could wish: their temporal mercies are oftentimes larger than those, that the dear children of God enjoy; and therefore are not what they have in common with the brutes that perish;

God takes more care of them than of oxen, or the fowls of the air, in a providential way;

....though they despise the riches of his goodness and forbearance, and long-suffering;

....not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth them to repentance, but after their hardness and impenitent heart, treasure up unto themselves wrath against the day of wrath, and the revelation of the righteous judgment of God.

 

That's a word salad?

 

"... not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter killeth, but the Spirit Giveth Life."
2 Corinthians 3:6

 

this present evil age

What is this? When did it begin? Why, this age, what is it's purpose?

 

You haven't proven the word all does not mean all.

 

I think it began before the, "fall of man," and here is the reason why.

And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage;

I believe that applied Adam and the woman taken from him and it took place before the sin.

Now I cannot say I am sure when before that, this age began. I can say for sure that I believe before God said, "Let there be light," the Son of God was going to be manifested as the Son of Man to bring about the following;
Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death -- that is, the devil -- Heb 2:14

Was man (Adam) made a little lower than the angels in order that the son of man (Jesus) could be made a little lower than the angels?

I have asked before.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.----- Was there spiritual warfare going on at this time?------- And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:2,3