MacArthur vs. Platt

Sure there is. Jesus said that we cannot serve two masters. Paul said that he would refrain from acts that make other stumble. But good try.

No. "Voting" for life is not casting a vote for the Republican party who will never do anything to prevent abortion as proven by the history of the GOP. It's just a voting point to get suckers to vote for them. People ignore that gains have not been made when the GOP appointed justices were in a majority (as they have been since the 70's), we had a GOP President, a GOP senate, and a GOP house. Were there at least a few executive orders to stay the killing of children? No. Not one.

You put your faith in the GOP. I'll put mine in Christ. You make your voice known by voting for the GOP. I'll make mine know by standing for Christ and life.

The lie that so many have come to believe is that if you put your faith in Christ and have your voice be the church rather than the GOP then you are weak. Perhaps you are right. But God chooses the weak things in the eyes of the world to demonstrate His strength.

 

Ironic that the Early Church Fathers and the Early Church did not. They, of course, belonged to the Church with One Founder (Christ) who did not Himself address abortion in the Roman Empire (the law did not consider unborn children to be persons, and they could be aborted without consequence - the Law considered the unborn as property and restitution was required should a child be lost due to the action of another).

As far as your Founders, you are right. John Calvin did view the State as an arm of the Church. But he is not the Founder of my faith.

 

I never said that we could not be a Christian and vote. I voted quite a bit as a Christian. And I never said that our government has not granted that right to us.

BUT you indicated that the early church believed Christians should be in public office. That is simply a false statement. I am interested in knowing what resource you use and who you quote. Celsus did make that claim (that if Christians were virtuous then they should serve in government and vote). But Celsus was a critic of Christianity and not an advocate. His point was that Christianity detracts from society because the Church refused even to vote (Romans had the right to vote).

 

Here's something for you guys to complain about -

Politics is the greatest idol in America today. It is the alter upon which Christians sacrifice their character, their morality, and their witness.

If anyone had any doubt about the validity of this statement he need to go no farther than this thread to see it proven.

 

If you mean of the United States, then yes - some did. Others did not but they believed we needed Christian values. Some were Deists. Jefferson did not believe that Christ rose from the dead (he certainly could not have been a Christian while denying the Resurrection). But he did believe the moral lessons of Christianity were good lessons.

That said, they were also wrong. God never gave man the right to happiness or liberty. God never gave men the right to life. These rights are not, as the Founding Father's believed, God given but what they wanted to be provided for by the government.

 

Yes, in Christ who frees and liberates us from the bondage of sin and death.

Are you suggesting that our founding fathers believed that the United States would liberate us from sin?????

 

Do you have a passage that says God has given man the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

If so, please enlighten us and share the verse.

Thank you.