MacArthur vs. Platt

[AustinC]

Liberals ONLY love those who espouse their mindset.views!

Yeshua1, is this how you would personally speak to a work colleague who is liberal?

Most humans love with conditions attached, including most Christians. I have friends who are very liberal and are not Christian at all. They volunteer to assist others at local food shelves and shelters. They help homeless person's and find housing for the poor. From a human perspective, they care deeply for others. It saddens me that they are not Christian because they do wonderful things for the community.

 

[Reynolds]

Sure they do. They "seek", but will never deliver.

They had the majority of Supreme Court Justices since Roe vs Wade. They have had the presidency, the house and senate.

I believe your faith is misplaced. A worldly power will never truly change the world for the good.

They have never had vacancies when they had a filibuster proof Senate.

 

[Reynolds]

You do know that if committed the filibuster is not the end-all, right?

The issue is what comes around goes around and politics is compromise.

It is the end-all for Supreme Court justices. Senate tradition to not break it. Obama and Trump have been onlyt two Presidents to get their party to not observe the filibuster for Justices.

 

[JonC]

It is the end-all for Supreme Court justices. Senate tradition to not break it. Obama and Trump have been onlyt two Presidents to get their party to not observe the filibuster for Justices.

The DNC senate had the.....er....intestinal fortitude...to break tradition (and it did bite them later....like this year).

Bottom line is the GOP would have to hate abortion more than they love power....and we both know that is not going to happen.

 

[Van]

Lets see: If the Republicans hold the Senate, and the RINO's do not vote with the Dems, then the Dem's will be unable to pack the court, or add Dem states, or end the filibuster practice. But I can foresee red states taking executive order dictates to court.
And thus the SCOTUS might have the opportunity to save our republic.

 

[AustinC]

Love their neighbor the unborn baby?

Including the humans that are alive.
Reynolds, do you spend multiple hours per week caring for the homeless and poor? I hope you do. I have some liberal friends who do so.
I wonder, if you dragged them before Jesus, would Jesus start writing in the dirt until you walked away?

 

[Reynolds]

Including the humans that are alive.
Reynolds, do you spend multiple hours per week caring for the homeless and poor? I hope you do. I have some liberal friends who do so.
I wonder, if you dragged them before Jesus, would Jesus start writing in the dirt until you walked away?

I have no idea what Jesus would do. He always did something I would never have imagined. Filthy dogs support murder of the innocent. False religions and cults do plenty of good works.
What I do really ain't none of your blooming business, but I do my fair share of ministering to the hungry and sick.

Murder of innocent babies is evil. Those who support the filthy devil's who keep this enshrined as a platform plank, are equally evil with blood all over their hands. Go hand out food and it makes the blood on their hands go away? No. They get no free passes!

 

[JonC]

I have no idea what Jesus would do. He always did something I would never have imagined. Filthy dogs support murder of the innocent. False religions and cults do plenty of good works.
What I do really ain't none of your blooming business, but I do my fair share of ministering to the hungry and sick.

Murder of innocent babies is evil. Those who support the filthy devil's who keep this enshrined as a platform plank, are equally evil with blood all over their hands. Go hand out food and it makes the blood on their hands go away? No. They get no free passes!

Actually, we do know what Jesus would do. The society in which Jesus lived practiced abortion (two centuries later it would be penalized). Because of Hellensic influences an unborn child was not considered to be a person.

So we can read the Bible and see how Jesus and His disciples sought to make abortion illegal. We can see just how involved the early Church was in politics.

The answer is they were not. Those who were Roman citizens refused to vote because it was to involve oneself with the worldly powers that Christ had died to free them from.

 

[AustinC]

I have no idea what Jesus would do. He always did something I would never have imagined. Filthy dogs support murder of the innocent. False religions and cults do plenty of good works.
What I do really ain't none of your blooming business, but I do my fair share of ministering to the hungry and sick.

Murder of innocent babies is evil. Those who support the filthy devil's who keep this enshrined as a platform plank, are equally evil with blood all over their hands. Go hand out food and it makes the blood on their hands go away? No. They get no free passes!

Murder is evil, period. Republicans and Democrats have blood on their hands. Neither you nor I are guiltless and voting for Republicans does not make you less guilty.

I have made my statement about idol worship of politics by Christians. I don't retract that assertion. Feel free to excuse yourself if that helps dull your conscience. Both of us will stand before our King and be judged.

 

[Reynolds]

Murder is evil, period. Republicans and Democrats have blood on their hands. Neither you nor I are guiltless and voting for Republicans does not make you less guilty.

I have made my statement about idol worship of politics by Christians. I don't retract that assertion. Feel free to excuse yourself if that helps dull your conscience. Both of us will stand before our King and be judged.

Which party has official plank to protect abortion?
Which party has official plank to protect the un-born?
You care more about your Commie-leftist friends than you care about truth.

 

[AustinC]

Which party has official plank to protect abortion?
Which party has official plank to protect the un-born?
You care more about your Commie-leftist friends than you care about truth.

You care more about political parties and controlling people than you care about...your King. That is idol worship.
There are two commandments for us to follow:
1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart.
2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Do you see what is missing? Nowhere does it say: Vote Republican or you aren't a Christian.
It seems you are a one issue person (the issue of abortion is very important). I don't see Jesus being a one issue person. I do see him emphasizing 2 commandments, however.
How are we doing with those two commandments?

 

[JonC]

This year has been an eye-opener for me. I realized that many Christians cling to the Constitution tighter than they do the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[kyredneck]

The Dems and Media would love Christians to shut up about politics and morality now in this nation!

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men. Mt 5

 

[kyredneck]

Ironic that the Founders themselves saw that only Christians would be morally fit to be in government!

Patrick Henry "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

 

[MB]

And this hypothetical trajectory is grounds to be godless ourselves? And stand down against evil? Take that one before God, and good luck.



Yes, this is exactly the argument Platt makes. Doesn't matter how good or bad a party is. If they don't endorse Christ, we don't join them in whatever good they're trying to do. What an awful testimony.

Problem is, there's nothing about this in Scripture. Romans 13 doesn't mention any standard like this. It merely says government is to punish evil and minister to the innocent. And we know all Christians are commanded to do good. Do you think this excludes political good? I only thank God Platt wasn't there to denounce the abolitionists.



So then, just let those babies die! (so the implication goes) Yet the NT says if we know the good we are to do and do not do it, to him in sin. David Platt is basically advocating open sin, with an imaginary excuse and a theory that it makes for a better testimony.



David Platt is openly calling the Church to disobey Christ. He's basically saying that if you can't find a Christian political party to save the unborn, you should let them die. This is morally repugnant.

To draw an analogy it would be like finding out a police officer didn't affirm Christ, and then preventing him from defending your family. I highly doubt you'd stick to your guns in that scenario. Nor would Platt.

What it is all about is not being hypocritical about it. We are to keep our selves holy not the whole world. It appears to me you are more than willing to Judge others which is not your.Job We are to be seperate from the world or haven't you read that far yet.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1, is this how you would personally speak to a work colleague who is liberal?

Most humans love with conditions attached, including most Christians. I have friends who are very liberal and are not Christian at all. They volunteer to assist others at local food shelves and shelters. They help homeless person's and find housing for the poor. From a human perspective, they care deeply for others. It saddens me that they are not Christian because they do wonderful things for the community.

Just go to any University or College, and watch how much "love: liberal profs show to any who support Jesus or the biblically morality!

 

[Yeshua1]

Actually, we do know what Jesus would do. The society in which Jesus lived practiced abortion (two centuries later it would be penalized). Because of Hellensic influences an unborn child was not considered to be a person.

So we can read the Bible and see how Jesus and His disciples sought to make abortion illegal. We can see just how involved the early Church was in politics.

The answer is they were not. Those who were Roman citizens refused to vote because it was to involve oneself with the worldly powers that Christ had died to free them from.

And yet the Apostle paul seemed to love to use His Roman rights when need be, so he was a citizen of Rome and of Heaven!

 

[Yeshua1]

This year has been an eye-opener for me. I realized that many Christians cling to the Constitution tighter than they do the Sermon on the Mount.

No, we just do not see it as being Either/or!

 

[Yeshua1]

You care more about political parties and controlling people than you care about...your King. That is idol worship.
There are two commandments for us to follow:
1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart.
2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Do you see what is missing? Nowhere does it say: Vote Republican or you aren't a Christian.
It seems you are a one issue person (the issue of abortion is very important). I don't see Jesus being a one issue person. I do see him emphasizing 2 commandments, however.
How are we doing with those two commandments?

Is refusing to accept BLM and other liberal garbage meaning acting non Christian?

 

[JonC]

No, we just do not see it as being Either/or!

But Jesus and Paul did.