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It seems to me you have come to a false conclusion: i.e. if I believe scripture teaches God elects to salvation those He has chosen, I should be able to “prove” I am one of the elect. You are, in effect, demanding I prove I am saved.

If I quote scripture, you dismiss it out of hand, saying it can’t mean what it says because the word “elect” only applies to Jews.

Therefore, reasonable conversation with you on this topic is impossible because, as I said, we will just talk past each other.

peace to you

 

I was asking if that was what you think, as both Jews and Gentiles are elect of God to me!

 

Just because you say it, no matter how many times you say it, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve shown you that the context of Paul’s use of “elect” in 2 Tim is referring to Gentile Christians.

Accept it or don’t, but the Truth remains the same whatever you or I believe it.

peace to you

 

Paul is saying that he endures all things for the sake of the believers (since they believed, they became elect) not for their salvation, but for their glorious salvation. Salvation is by grace, but the glory is a reward at the judgment seat of Christ, and Paul wants believers to inherit more glory than they otherwise would. That's all.
Tim was a Gentile:
Act 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:
Act 16:2 Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
Act 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

 

Hey MB, the maternal Jewish identity is a modern and unBiblical phenomenon.
In the Bible, identity is of the father, otherwise, many of the kings of Judah would have been illegitimate since their mothers were Gentiles.

 

Sure it is , for it's required to be saved by Grace apart from works isn't it? That equates to Election of Grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
. And Gentiles are saved the same way, by Grace!

 

But Jesus wasn't a blood line jew. He did not come from out of Mary's egg, He was placed in her by the Spirit. The baby in the womb generates his own Blood. Jesus was a Spiritual Jew and so are the members of His Body the Church . Salvation is not based on ethnicity . Now granted He was born into a jewish family with a jewish mother, however that put no special premium on ethnic jews regarding Salvation , that would be respect of persons based on race and not grace . That is what people do when they say only ethnic jews are Gods Elect when it regards Salvation.

 

I fully reject Calvinism in all its 5 points and I fully reject replacement theology. I'm not sure how those two things got into the discussion.

As for the Jewish community, that's not my concern, only the Bible is, and in the Bible, the lineage always goes through the father, never the mother. That's undeniable brother.

 

If that is true why are the genealogies in Matthew and Luke different?

 

Talk to any Jew today and they will tell you a person is a Jew by their mother. Today it is a matriarchal lineage.

 

Jesus is a "spiritual" Jew?

Jesus isn't Jewish now?

When you see Him you may have to explain why you don't count Revelation 5:5 as scripture.

And one of the elders saith unto me, weep not:
behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David,
hath prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof.

 

If that's the case so are all His members of His Body. For He and they are One Flesh. Eph 5:30-32

 

So are you saying that Jesus Christ is not Jewish?

 

See post 32 for what I said.