Texas Exit.

The Articles of Confederation is the only place you can claim 'perpetual union'. And, as I said, they were tossed out. There went that perpetual union with them.

No, the Yankee Federal govt. first of all considered the Southern States to have left the Union. Again, they would not let them back into the Union until they voted for the 13 and 14 amendments. Plus, because the Southern States didn't agree to vote for the 14 amendment, they were then divided up into military districts and placed under martial law for about 12 years.

It wasn't illegal to leave the union in 1861. After military defeat and take over, after creating a Supreme Court in the likeness of the victors image, the Yankees then changed the Constitution that supported the South. And that is the Supreme Court of 1869. The Southern states are out of the Union.

Of course the U.S. won't let us go. It is established by the bayonet. It will be kept by the bayonet. "Mine eyes have seen the glory...."

"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to disband the political bands which have connected them...." See? America doesn't believe that anymore unless some secession is taking place elsewhere in the world. Then we go out of our way to support it.

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No. What you were first saying was that the Confederate States never seceded because the Union was indestructible. But you're now trying to use a Supreme Court ruling, of 1869 to prove your point. And I have explained why that doesn't work. Lot of water under the bridge from 1861 to 1869.

Whether Texas or any other state in the Union can now legally secede is immaterial. They could secede legally and did in 1861. And the only reason they can't legally do it now as you say....is the bayonet.

In December of 1865 the 39th Congress met. "Indeed, by the end of its deliberations, the Thirty-ninth Congress had publicly declared that no legal state governments existed in the other ten states of the South." (We The People, Bruce Akerman, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 1998, p. 101)

The Union was not indestructible under the Constitution of 1787. The right to secede existed. The South seceded. The North made war against the South to bring them back into this glorious union. And of course, the Yankee Federal power would do the same today.

The nation is already defeated within. Tell me about Texas voluntary entrance. And if when they entered, 'voluntarily', why doesn't their Article 1, Sec. 2 apply, which states they can also abandon that government?

One would have doubted not long ago that Bolsheviks would be sitting in places of political power in the U.S. But they are.

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The 39th Congress in December of 1865 said they did secede.

You have to realize the dog and pony show that was going on in order for the victorious powers to get their way. A change of the Constitution and Supreme Court. Declaring that the Southern States did vote for the 13 and 14 amendment, yet all the while not allowing them back in the Union.

There was no effort to do things by the Constitution. There was effort to do what they wanted, as military victors, and then form and change the Constitution to agree with them. In other words, when the South lost, America lost. And you see today the fruits of it.

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The 39th Congress in December of 1865 said they did. Why the effort to have them ratify the 13th and 14th amendment in order to be brought back into the Union, if they were not out of the union?

The Supreme Court in 1869 was just a political mouthpiece for the military victors. For them to declare that the South never left the Union is ridiculous. The South left and they knew it. The North knew it and made entrance back into the union difficult.

Bottom line is secession was legal in 1861, no matter what any court says after that.

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