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God credits the faith, which he gifted to his children as righteous. This is because it is of God and God is righteous.
If faith was from man, then just like everything coming from man, it would be horribly corrupted and unrighteous.
So "our faith" only applies to God's elect children to whom God gave faith.
As long as you keep lifting up humans as generating their own righteousness, you will be opposed by those who lift up God alone as being righteous.

 

I am saying, obedience of faith, has to do with God and the Son of God, the Son of Man Not of us. Consider:

Romans 5:19 NKJV For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Is that the obedience Heb 5 speaks of being learned, the obedience Phil 2:8 speaks of as, becoming? What was that obedience? Was it not pouring out his soul, was it not giving his life? Is that speaking of the soul/life of the flesh, in the blood? See Lev 17:11

Is that obedience being spoken of time specific? Death on the cross?

Romans 6:14 NKJV For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.--- Is that verse time specific. Was there a moment in time when one went from being under the schoolmaster to being under grace.
Romans 4:25 YLT who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. ---- By that before mentioned, obedience?

Now consider Galatians 3:23-25 YLT
And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, ----- We are now under grace, the resurrected Christ because of his obedience of faith bringing forth the righteousness of God.

IMHO faith is of God and a gift of the Spirit unto us.

 

Thank you for the clarification. I misunderstood your first post.

 

Wait, you're saying that God is flawed and thus the gift he gives is flawed. Yet, somehow humans are righteous on their own and God credits them for taking a flawed faith and making the flawed faith... righteous.
Van, no matter how you slice it, your position attempts to tear God down and lift up self.

 

You put the emphasis on "our" and "his" as though the corrupt sinner has made an unrighteous faith, righteous by their own efforts. You ignore all the scripture that shows faith is a gift of God and make God's joy in an individual based solely on the individuals taking a flawed gift and making it righteous by their own efforts.
Any reader can read your comments and see what you proclaim. It should be a huge red flag to you that so many oppose you everytime you propose your opinion on faith, yet here we are on yet another thread where you are opposed by the vast majority.

 

I agree, Van.
Why not just present the verse?

" buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." ( Colossians 2:12 ).

In the above, it tells me that I was buried with Him in baptism ( see Romans 6:4-5 ), and raised with Him through ( not because of, but through ) the faith "of" ( by or from ) the operation of God...
Who has raised Christ from the dead.


Nowhere in that passage does it say, "raised with Him by means of your credited faith in the divine power of God ".


You've changed the words, Van.
Not even the Greek has it that way:

Colossians 2:12 Interlinear:
Colossians 2:12 - συνταφέντες 5651... - Interlinear Study Bible
https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/col2.pdf

However, if you're saying that that is how you personally understand it for yourself,
Then I must have missed something further back.

 

But it's worthless.

So, how can the Lord credit what is worth nothing to Him, as being something to Him?
It must be worth something, or it would be worth nothing.

That's called "grace" Van.

You see, if God credits our faith as righteousness ( without first giving ( Ephesians 2:8 ) it to us through Christ, who authored and finished it ( Hebrews 12:2 ) for us ), then what He is doing is taking something that we possess or do outside of Him being the cause of it, and making that worth something to Him.

In the Bible, that makes the Lord a respecter of persons...
In that what they do, believe, or have determines who He bestows His grace and mercy on.

Further defined,
Any effort or belief that gives one person an advantage over another when it comes to the Lord saving someone for Himself, is not of grace.
It is of merit, and of works.

See Romans 4:4 and Romans 11:5-6.

 

But that's already been discussed in other threads, Van,
and it seems that you somehow still declare that an individual's personal faith ( that they "will up" inside of them? ) actually merits them God's gift of eternal life.

However, even if it isn't, it would be because of "Prevenient Grace"...
Where the word of God makes it possible for all men to believe, provided they hear the preaching of His word;

But that still doesn't remove the fact of it being a merit-based system...
God crediting what He made possible for a person to do, and having to stand back and wait for the person to "exercise" it ( or not to ), in order to grant them the gift ( Romans 6:23 ) of eternal life.



That said and looking at the above...
Respectfully, it seems to me that you're contradicting yourself.

On the one hand you're telling the reader that the believer's faith is worthless.
On the other, you're saying that what is worthless, is actually worth something.


I'm confused at this point, and I think I can say that I'm probably not the only one that is.

 

Amen

 

Please do not label my on-topic answers to your questions as off-topic.

I answered honestly according to your questions and you snipped it and declared it as "off-topic"...
When it wasn't.

I'm guessing that you didn't read the words.
Here it is again:

The very passages that I've listed above, tell us that our sin burden was removed at the cross...
Not when we believed.
However, if you wish to teach it the other way, you are of course free to do so.

I also imagine that quite a few people will believe it.

 

May I make a suggestion?

Don't ridicule people that disagree with you, Van;
It's not polite, and most of all, it's not Christian...
Nor does it show patience on your part.

It's so simple an adult should be able to understand it...
that treating people with respect, whether they disagree with each other or not, is preferable to fighting like children.
Doubly so for those who name the name of Christ.

I'll make this my final reply in this thread.


Good evening to you, sir, and I wish you well...despite our disagreements.