Featured TULIP -

This one...by Joni Mitchell...

 

I was asking @JonC which Crosby, Stills, and Nash album he was referring to...

 

I believe the TULI of the TULIP are false doctrines, obviously unbiblical, as I have demonstrated many times. I believe once saved always saved, which is a biblical truth similar to the P.

 

I reject all 5 because Perseverance of the saints is not truly Eternal Security.

 

Unless "Perseverance of the saints" is do to the "Eternal Security" it is not "Perseverance of the saints."

 

C, S, N,.... & Y

 

I understand. All versions from CSN are inferior to Joni Mitchell's version.

 

Yes, the two doctrines are similar but definitely not the same.

 

Joni Mitchell wrote it and gave it to CSN to record. CSN botched it and thus didn't fully convey what Mitchell was saying. It reminds me of Paul Simon's "Boy in the Bubble" which is upbeat and thus the listener misses the lyrics. I prefer Peter Gabriel's copy, which conveys the seriousness of the song.

 

Is it possible for an individual to confess that Christ is the Son of God and not be of the elect?

 

To each their own. I also prefer Bruce Springsteen's "Blinded by the Light" to the Manfred Mann version.

 

Even then, I personally would not agree.
A true believer in the church age can still fall back from faith permanently and still be born again and wake up in heaven.
Lordship salvation is not a true doctrine for the church age dispensation.

 

Good question! What does the word "confess" mean. To publicly profess? The folks of Matthew 7 did that. Or is the idea to actually believe from the heart that Christ is the Son of God? See Titus 1:16 And what about "of the elect?" Does that mean someone who has been individually chosen for salvation based on God crediting their faith as righteousness. Or is the idea, someone willing to be saved but not chosen, because their faith was rejected by God?

 

Seems to me if one is as the reformed say "elect" to salvation then all one would have to do is confess Christ is the Son of God one single time...bam!!!

On the other hand if not elect they could confess Christ is the Son of God until the cows come home and still be dammed.

 

all of them!

 

There is a Logic and consistency to them, and 4 pointers are what RC Sproul labeled"confused calvinists"

 

Some Baptists still prefer that to the 1689!

 

And yet in Isaiah 45:4 The Lord calls the Sons of Abraham through Jacob the elect although they do not hear his voice.