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YLT Gal 2:16 having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.'
YLT Rom 5:19 for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.

Do those two verses state that righteous and or justified is relative, through, the obedience of One / the faith of Jesus Christ (One) ?

YLT Rom 5:9 much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath;

Righteous in his blood. Does in his blood mean by his death? Isn't the obedience of verse 19 the obedience unto death even the death of the cross? The faith of Jesus Christ is relative to when he died. That is when, obedience of faith took place.

That is what is imputed to the first-fruit of the Spirit and or any other fruit God may choose. They are declared righteous.

Romans 8:23 Acts 15.

I believe the only part we have in this is after having been given the Spirit is to walk in the Spirit. Which is not easy for the flesh wars against it.

IMHO

 

It's perhaps no secret to anyone that I'm a great admirer of John Calvin who, like Martin Luther, risked his own life to promote the great scriptural truth of salvation by faith alone through grace alone.

I'm going to demonstrate, based on John Calvin's own words, that John Calvin was not a Calvinist.

According to modern-day Calvinists, the five points of Calvinism are an unbroken chain, and if one link is proven to be untrue, then the entire system fails.

As we can see, based on Calvin's own words, he, in the very least, rejected the doctrine of limited atonement:

The five points of Calvinism weren't written until the Synod of Dort, in response to the five points of Arminianism, and Calvin himself never taught limited atonement.

The acronym "TULIP" did not even originate from Dort, but is, of course, a modern invention in the English language.

While Calvinists are our brothers in Christ, Calvinism is not the only legitimate interpretation of scripture, and accepting or rejecting it has nothing to do with salvation, and Calvin himself was historically not a Calvinist. Instead, he was called by others a Lutheran.

Ecclesiastes 7:18
It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.

1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.

 

You're living on a tropical island of one.

 

Do you believe in the unity of all Christian churches. It sure seems that you do.
MB

 

Just look around your desert island to see who's with you...

 

No, not churches that endorse same-sex marriage and reject historical Christian doctrines like the deity of Christ.

 

Actually Austin what you have shown is that by your own logic and quote it is Jesus that says works will save you.“One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have {work}and distribute to the poor, {work} and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Now we know that works will not save you so that means that your understanding of this text is questionable at best. What Christ Jesus is saying is that material possessions and obeying rules will not save you. It is only through personal trust/ faith in Christ Jesus that a person can be saved. Only God can save and He saves because you trust in His son Christ Jesus. Just so we are clear here. God saves you after you trust in His son not before you trust in His son.

 

Silverhair, you twist scripture like twizzlers twist their licorice sticks.
Since you demand that Jesus teaches salvation by works in that passage, you can exegete just how Jesus teaches works salvation. I await your exegesis.

 

While you may admire John Calvin and Martin Luther I have to point out that it was those that disagreed with those men that risked their lives. You may feel that they were great men of God and in some respects they were but they said and did things that were not Christian. Saying they were just men of their times does a disservice to the memory of the Christian martyrs and the apostles let alone the life Christ Jesus.

 

There were specific times when Luther and Calvin ran for their lives or had to go into hiding because the Catholic church, with the backing of the government, wanted to kill them.

 

Austin, I was going to say what you said was just dumb but really you are just deluded. You have really got to get some rudimentary reading skills. You are so locked in to the false teaching of Calvinism that you can not see the truth.

{Austin what you have shown is that by your own logic and quote it is Jesus that says works will save you.“One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have {work}and distribute to the poor, {work} and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Now we know that works will not save you so that means that your understanding of this text is questionable at best. What Christ Jesus is saying is that material possessions and obeying rules will not save you. It is only through personal trust/ faith in Christ Jesus that a person can be saved. Only God can save and He saves because you trust in His son Christ Jesus. Just so we are clear here. God saves you after you trust in His son not before you trust in His son.}

Since you must not have read the whole post I put it here between the { } just above. Note the highlighted text in the second paragraph.

Your views are shallow and quite frankly you are rude when you miss quote or twist what people say. But why should anyone be surprised.

 

I am not questioning if they had times when they feared for their lives. I am just saying I would not put them a pedestal.

 

There were times when the Catholic Pope wanted to rule all the people and kill the ones who rejected the Catholic doctrines.
MB.

 

At the time, because there was no separation of church and state, anyone declared a heretic by the Catholic church could be killed at will. For example, this is why Luther was in hiding while he translated the Bible into German.

 

How would you define putting them on a pedestal?