John 6:37,65

What I see as the key word(s) in John 6:37 is the emphatic Greek no with the meaing never or not in any way. The difficulty, if any, are those who suppose they have come to Christ but had not really. Such as Matthew 7:21-23.

 

What do you do with John 12:32 ?
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
MB

 

John 12:32 is Jesus' response to the reason they wanted to kill him, John 11: 48, ". . . If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. . . ."
John 12:32-33, ". . . And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die. . . ."

 

No RM,
A casual glance at the passage starting at vs.22 shows it was not believing disciples who were questioning Him, but rather all in the crowd.
The doctrines of grace stand firm against all who try and diminish the clarity and power of the teaching.
Do people have such a hatred of the truth that no matter how clearly Rippon has laid it out, they need to avert people from it?

 

The elect Covenant Children are those effectually drawn to Jesus.

All The Father gives to Him
All that were taught of the Father
They and they alone come to Him.

 

Some come who think they are coming to Him, Matthew 7:21-23.

 

In Hebrews 6 the writer tells us that in order to save any who fall away Christ would need to be crucified all over again. How so? If he died for them in the first place? If He did, it would certainly make their repentance possible. This shows that Jesus died for a specific number and not one more than that will be saved.

“But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.” Matthew 15:13 (KJV 1900)

 

You mean the lost sinners will not have to face the great white throne Judgement?. They are the last to be raised on the last day.
Quite frankly then you disagree with scripture.The word men is in italics which means it wasn't in original text. How ever the word all is all inclusive and you shouldn't add or subtract this for support of your doctrine.
MB

 

Are you intentionally misrepresenting him? That is not what he said at all.

 

There is always the tragic case of false carnal professors. They believe in vain, because it was an effort of their own sinful flesh.,
Some of the disciples in Jn 6 were false disciples as indicated by jn6:66
from that time forth many walked no more with Him.

The key is...ALL THE FATHER GIVES-SHALL COME,
NO MORE, NO LESS

 

How does " . . . disciples went back, . . ." answer to Matthew 7:21-23?

 

This coincides with the thread regarding God's purpose for angels.

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

In John 6 we see the agreement that the Father gives particular people to inherit salvation and the Father designates angels to serve those who inherit this salvation.

 

Reformed1689,

Such shameful misrepresentation, unfortunately, demonstrates the careless disregard for proper bible study.

This is viewed as a strict...I am set to oppose anything posted, no matter what, activity.

The lack of any spiritual understanding shows the truth of the T.

To expect any honest or sincere interaction does not look like it is going to happen.

 

They are those described in Mt 7.
What is so confusing about this?
From William Hendriksen'Commentary on John.

 

There are some here who I am convinced don't know what context actually means.

 

I understand the whole Chapter. How does those verses nullify the "all" In Jn 12:32 I've already heard all the arguments but you haven't disproved the" all means all" position which this verse backs up
MB.

 

It is obvious you do not. All does mean all with regard to what all is referring to. It is not referring to all individuals and you cannot show from CONTEXT (something you ignore) that it does.