Reformed Salvation

[SavedByGrace]

So are you saying that faith = repentance? I.e. that the repentance is a change of heart from unbelief to belief, apart from doing any good works? Just trying to understand you.

Repentance is saying sorry for your personal sins to the Lord, and faith is trusting Jesus as Saviour and Lord

 

[Iconoclast]

That is NOT what they say in the OP

You do not understand the " The passages you " Offered

 

[The Archangel]

Sounds like your theology, and not Scripture.

Well.... Let's not pretend that you have no theological bias in reading scripture.

The Archangel

 

[SavedByGrace]

Well.... Let's not pretend that you have no theological bias in reading scripture.

The Archangel

Prove me wrong then

 

[Silverhair]

If you had created you, your friend, and the victim and they all lived moment by moment only because you allowed them to, and if you could foresee and change a host of things at any time to prevent it then yes - you did ordain it in the way the reformers meant it. You did not directly cause it but that is not what they said. Some people try to have a coherent theology but you don't so in a way you have an advantage. The only way to truly vindicate God in the way you set things up is to say he didn't know what was going to happen. You will just deny that and you can because you sling random ideas around while claiming some higher knowledge. You are proving the need for some type of systemic theology, some kind of organized teaching, and you are showing the dangers of private interpretation.

I agree we need some kind of organized teaching, which we do have. It is called the bible. Now all we have to do is get people to trust it rather that trust what some men tell them that it means.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You do not understand the " The passages you " Offered

Correct me

 

[DaveXR650]

What you are saying not biblical. Foreknowledge is not the same as Foreordaining. There is a HUGE difference

Again. Foreknowledge is knowing something will happen in the future. For you and me, it is actually impossible but to the extent it is - it's based on probability. Foreknowledge that God would have is 100% sure because he makes it so or allows it to happen. If he makes it so then he caused it, if he allows it to happen then he at least ordains it - because he could have stopped it if he wanted. It may be flawed, but it is logical and it is what the reformers meant when they said ordained.

 

[The Archangel]

Repentance is saying sorry for your personal sins to the Lord

False. Louw and Nida is helpful here: μετανοέω (Repentance) to change one’s way of life as the result of a complete change of thought and attitude with regard to sin and righteousness—‘to repent, to change one’s way, repentance.’

Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 509.

That's a whole lot more than saying "sorry."

The Archangel

 

[Iconoclast]

Correct me

If I'm working right now give me a couple of days and I'll do a thread on what I think could be helpful for you

 

[The Archangel]

Prove me wrong then

Some things are self-evident and require no further proof. It is preposterous to suggest that Calvinists read their theology into scripture while those like you do not.

The Archangel

 

[SavedByGrace]

False. Louw and Nida is helpful here: μετανοέω (Repentance) to change one’s way of life as the result of a complete change of thought and attitude with regard to sin and righteousness—‘to repent, to change one’s way, repentance.’

Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 509.

That's a whole lot more than saying "sorry."

The Archangel

I gave the basic meaning which is not wrong

 

[SavedByGrace]

Some things are self-evident and require no further proof. It is preposterous to suggest that Calvinists read their theology into scripture while those like you do not.

The Archangel

I don't. So please speak for yourself

 

[Yeshua1]

There are ZERO good works that any sinner can do to merit their salvation. It is because of God's Grace that we are saved, through REPENTANCE and FAITH

Both of those being gifts granted to us by God!

 

[The Archangel]

Wrong again! I am pointing out, that the English word "regeneration" in Titus 3:5, literally means "born-again". Paul here speaks of being "saved" the same as being "born-again".

I don't know where you get me saying, ""regeneration" is something that is done by us?

You're the one arguing that saved = born again. You've argued that we need to

I gave the basic meaning which is not wrong

No. it is wrong. Repentance does not mean "saying you're sorry."

The Archangel

 

[AustinC]

I agree we need some kind of organized teaching, which we do have. It is called the bible. Now all we have to do is get people to trust it rather that trust what some men tell them that it means.

This is why I don't trust what you say.

 

[Yeshua1]

How so, Oh right you think you hav


Well of course not as according to Calvinism God has picked out all those that are lost and they have no chance to trust in Him.

You act as if they actually wanted to know God though!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Some things are self-evident and require no further proof. It is preposterous to suggest that Calvinists read their theology into scripture while those like you do not.

The Archangel

Calvinists just fail to grasp what the Bible actually says on salvation

 

[The Archangel]

I don't. So please speak for yourself

Ah... so you're immune from any type of bias. That's perhaps the only statement you've made that is more ridiculous than your so-called "theology."

The Archangel

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't. So please speak for yourself

You outright rejection of any form of Calvinism suggests already bring preconceived theology into bible reading!

 

[The Archangel]

Wrong again! I am pointing out, that the English word "regeneration" in Titus 3:5, literally means "born-again". Paul here speaks of being "saved" the same as being "born-again".

I don't know where you get me saying, ""regeneration" is something that is done by us?

You're the one arguing that saved = born again. If being born again is the same as getting saved, and you believe we act first in salvation (which it is abundantly clear that you do), and if John 3 speaks of born-again in the passive voice (which it does), then "born again" is not something you can do for yourself. Because in Greek the passive means the subject is being acted upon, not doing the action.

The Archangel