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Very well-about post #2 & Dr. Gentry's guess that Nero was the beast/antichrist...

There were umpteen systems of gematria.One could make Nero's full name, Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, come out as Adolf Hitler with a little digging. The main kicker against all this is that the world went on the same in 71 AD after Jerusalem was destroyed as it did in 68 AD when Nero died. Still goes on the same today.

Gentry wrote:

Actually, Rome had many more rulers before Julius Caesar, as it was founded in 753 BC. The kings(kingdoms) of Rev. 17 were Egypt, Assyria, babylon, Persia, & Greece. The 6th was, of course, Rome. The 7th was the Holy Roman Empire. The 8th will be made from nations & peoples who were part of the old Roman empires. They'll be the first parts of the beast's empire. (kingdom).

Remember, the Jews of that time called any head of state a king or queen.

Nero was overthrown by Galba in 68 AD & had his scribe Epaphroditue stab him with a sword. as Galba's men were coming to arrest him, as he didn't want to face public humiliation and a tortuous death. Galba's men tried unsuccessfully to keep him alive. Remember, Scripture says no man could overthrow the beast, & that he'd be cast alive into hell.

Then, there's the matter of the false prophet. While there have been many of them since before the Israelis left Egypt, & there are many of them today, Revelation is referring to one certain FP who can call down lightning & perform other miracles in the beast's presence, & who will be cast alive into hell with his boss.. Nero had no such deputy.

I'll not repeat the other proofs of why Nero was not the beast/antichrist unless requested.

I've read or watched more of Dr. Gentry's stuff than you might think, & found most of it to be imagination when put up against Scripture and history.

Sportzz Fanzz, whom will YOU choose to believe? Dr. Gentry, or GOD'S WORD?[/I]

 

..Except that it DIDN'T, & there's no historical evidence it DID.

The earth is still going right on as it did in 65 AD.

 

Good discussion between Amill, Postmill and Premill

 

No, it DIDN'T. You don't have one scintilla of **PROOF** they did. The occurrence of those events is not found in history, simple as THAT.

I shall go over post #11 just to show you & pther prets that you're wrong, believing your guru gentry over the reality of history and God's word. While I agree there's symbolism in Scripture, it always represents something literal. For instance a symbolic harlot represents a false church & fornication represents false worship.

 

I shall go over post #11 just to show you & other prets that you're wrong, believing your guru Gentry over the reality of history and God's word. While I agree there's symbolism in Scripture, it always represents something literal. For instance a symbolic harlot represents a false church & fornication represents false worship.

 

OF COURSE it's the same way. All of Revelation is a series of visions

God never calls Jerusalem "Babylon". Rev. 18 mentions toe 2 falls of Babylon. The first was when the city was taken by the Medes & Persians, who didn't destroy it, but it became an unimportant place. The 2nd Bab is a seaport

Actually, it shows the harlot will try to control the beast & his empire. That's what made many in the 1930s believe Hitler was the antichrist, as the RC Reichstag delegates passed the "Enabling Act" that gave Hitler almose-absolute power over Germany, They hoped to control him, but he turned on them soon as their usefulness to him was over. Thus, the beast will do the same with the RCC once he attains full power.
Rev. 17:
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Does THAT look like Jerusalem????????????

"Mystery, Babylon" is the false religion started by Nimrod & Semiramis, which polluted ancient Israel & Judah (Remember the Jewish women of Ezekiel 8:14-17 who wept for Tammuz, & the ones of Jeremiah's time making cakes for the "queen of heaven".) Elements of this religion are found in the RCC of today, with Mary replacing Semiramis as queen of heaven.

MMRRPP ! WRONG !
Dr. Gentry completely ignores this verse-Rev. 17: 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
THAT, OF COURSE, WAS NOT & IS NOT JERUSALEM ! !
In John's time, that could only be ROME! It fits the bill perfectly, sitting on 7 hills, & being the seat of the RCC. And in John's day, it was the seat of the Roman empire, & the center of rule for most of the peoples John knew about.

Now, while Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, it was soon rebuilt. Rome was sacked several times, but never mostly destroyed. But the new Babylon will be completely wiped out, & as the angel said, "found no more".

See how easy it is to prove Gentry wrong with Scripture & history? You made a poor choice for a guru!

 

The AOD did not occur in the now-destroyed temple, nor has the great trib occurred, nor have the beast & false prophet yet come, and, most important of all, JESUS has not yet returned.

...which will happen when the time comes.

...which the Jews will resume when the temple is built. They're already breeding the animals for this.

...which the Jews will appoint, mostly from men surnamed "Cohen".

The beast/antichrist will forge a new empire from among the peoples of the old Roman empires. I have no idea what it'll be called.

...Coming.

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...It will.

...Coming.

...May be this one; may be a later one.

...Likely here now under another name.

Newp! Just repeating what GOD said.

 

Not ignoring-just refuting.
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The fact of the New J is spelled out in the Revelation vision. OF COURSE it'll be different as it's made by GOD.

It's OBVIOUS they're different. I didn't argue that at all. I simply looked past it as not being germane to our discussion.

It's pretty self-explanatory.

Of course. J was soon rebuilt; Babylon was not. Look what happened to Saddam Hussein & his sons who tried to rebuild it.

The 2nd Babylon hasn't yet been destroyed. And when it is, it shall be found no more.(Rev.8:21) It shall be quickly destroyed, unlike the old Babylon which still existed in Jesus' time.

Why, the one of Rev. 17, of course!

The new Babylon appears to be Rome.

The reality of history & the CORRECT interp of Scripture peove all preterists wrong. The proof is right before your eyes. This is the same earth that was here in 65 AD. There are many relics that wouldn't be here had the earth been re-made already. If you can't see that, you're living in an illusory world made by your own mind.

 

God destroyed the temple, dispensationalism wants to erect it again.

God tore down the barrier wall that divided Jews and Gentiles, dispensationalism wants to put it back again.

God did away with animal sacrifice, dispensationalism seeks to reinstitute that practice.

That’s an anachronistic belief system…if I’m using that word correctly?

 

"The reality of history & Scripture prove every preterist wrong."

 

It must be there for the AOD to occur in.

No, Orthodox Jews kept it by refusing to accept Jesus as Messiah.

No, Orthodox Jews do.

According to Scripture, the beast/antichrist will once again end it after it's resumed, as he won't acknowledge any other god but himself.

Nothingta do with dispensationalism.

 

I'll be much-interested in seeing your explanations of when the beast-antichrist ruled the world, who his miracle-working false prophet was, what the mark of the beast looked like, when the AOD occurred & who did it, when the great trib hit the whole world, & when Jesus returned, seen by all. Meanwhile, I'll sit here & snicker when I think how ridiculous and outright comical the whole pret theory is.

 

There is no evidence that Satan has been bound per Revelation 20:2-3. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. Matthew 13:19. 1 Peter 5:8. James 4:7.

 

When Satan will get bound , there shall be no more Islam, New Age, etc in play anywhere in world, no more isis etc!