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Featured Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 7, 2022.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    WRONG again!
     
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    God does not expect us to grow and mature in the faith?
     
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    Lost sinners cannot surrender to Lord Jesus, as their very natures are against Him!
     
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    your statement "its true that one is justified and saved by faith alone", is UNBIBLICAL, as salvation requires REPENTING and FAITH before the sinner is saved. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, teaches this is Mark 1:15, which some have tried to dismiss as not referring to all, but only to the Jews!
     
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    The repentance God requires from us is to repent of trying to save ourselves by own efforts and fully trust in finished work of the Lord Jesus!
     
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    read #19
     
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    Believe in the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved!
     
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    read #39
     
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    when those who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, and were "cut to the heart" (convicted by the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:37), and they said, "what shall we DO?". Peter did not say BELIEVE, but REPENT (verse 38)! Because they were CONVICTED, they wanted salvation, which is by REPENTING and BELIEVING, as they had done the message to desire salvation!
     
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    saved by grace alone received thru faith alone, that is what the reformation was all about!
     
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    So its NOT saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone then?
     
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    WHERE in the NT does it say Faith ALONE?
     
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    From what I've seen you say I don't think you believe he is a heretic. However, I think it would be more appropriate to say that you believe he is teaching falsely, or wrong on the matter (though I think that you misunderstood his point, which may be a clarity issue on his part). When someone is accused of preaching heresy, it logically follows that one is a heretic. So in regards to both your position on the former video, and MacArthur's teaching I think you are wrong, but I don't want to hijack your new post and take it back to an old conversation. My comment was meant to be a joke.
     
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    I have listened to many hours of MacArthur. I have read a pile of his reference material. IMO, on this topic, he is saying repentance IS necessary for salvation. The flip side is that as a high Calvinist he believes God ordained the repentance and that irresistible grace brings about the repentance just as it brings about the salvation.
    Just keep in mind that when Johnny Mac talks about salvation, he is assuming you know that he believes man has no choice.
     
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    DEAD men can do nothing until they are first made alive!:

    4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2
     
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    Sounds like 'faith alone' to me.
     
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    Ephesians 2:1-10. What Does Paul Say?
     
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    so God repents and believes for the elect sinner??? :eek:
     
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    LOL actually those statements say exactly what I have been saying. It is evidence, it proves one's salvation. Thanks for playing though.
     
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    Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved
     
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