Lordship Salvation VS Easy Believism

[SavedByGrace]

Think that both sides have a partial aspect of the full truth, as its true that one is justified and saved by faith alone, but once saved, God will expect us to mature and grow as disciples!

WRONG again!

 

[JesusFan]

WRONG again!

God does not expect us to grow and mature in the faith?

 

[JesusFan]

Those are both evidences that are the result of the Holy Spirit's work in a person who is saved, my friend.
They are not things a man must do before they can be saved.

Lost sinners cannot surrender to Lord Jesus, as their very natures are against Him!

 

[SavedByGrace]

God does not expect us to grow and mature in the faith?

your statement "its true that one is justified and saved by faith alone", is UNBIBLICAL, as salvation requires REPENTING and FAITH before the sinner is saved. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, teaches this is Mark 1:15, which some have tried to dismiss as not referring to all, but only to the Jews!

 

[JesusFan]

WRONG! the main point of Lordship Salvation, is that it must include REPENTANCE before the sinner can be saved, and this continues after salvation. you don't understand what this is about!

The repentance God requires from us is to repent of trying to save ourselves by own efforts and fully trust in finished work of the Lord Jesus!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Lost sinners cannot surrender to Lord Jesus, as their very natures are against Him!

read #19

 

[JesusFan]

your statement "its true that one is justified and saved by faith alone", is UNBIBLICAL, as salvation requires REPENTING and FAITH before the sinner is saved. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, teaches this is Mark 1:15, which some have tried to dismiss as not referring to all, but only to the Jews!

Believe in the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved!

 

[SavedByGrace]

The repentance God requires from us is to repent of trying to save ourselves by own efforts and fully trust in finished work of the Lord Jesus!

read #39

 

[SavedByGrace]

Believe in the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved!

when those who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, and were "cut to the heart" (convicted by the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:37), and they said, "what shall we DO?". Peter did not say BELIEVE, but REPENT (verse 38)! Because they were CONVICTED, they wanted salvation, which is by REPENTING and BELIEVING, as they had done the message to desire salvation!

 

[JesusFan]

read #39

saved by grace alone received thru faith alone, that is what the reformation was all about!

 

[JesusFan]

when those who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, and were "cut to the heart" (convicted by the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:37), and they said, "what shall we DO?". Peter did not say BELIEVE, but REPENT (verse 38)! Because they were CONVICTED, they wanted salvation, which is by REPENTING and BELIEVING, as they had done the message to desire salvation!

So its NOT saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone then?

 

[SavedByGrace]

So its NOT saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone then?

WHERE in the NT does it say Faith ALONE?

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I have never called MacArthur a heretic but that his teaching on the Blood of Jesus Christ in the video clip is heresy, which is UNBIBLICAL.

From what I've seen you say I don't think you believe he is a heretic. However, I think it would be more appropriate to say that you believe he is teaching falsely, or wrong on the matter (though I think that you misunderstood his point, which may be a clarity issue on his part). When someone is accused of preaching heresy, it logically follows that one is a heretic. So in regards to both your position on the former video, and MacArthur's teaching I think you are wrong, but I don't want to hijack your new post and take it back to an old conversation. My comment was meant to be a joke.

 

[Reynolds]

From John MacArthur's Study Bible

ACTS—NOTE ON 2:38 Repent. This refers to a change of mind and purpose that turns an individual from sin to God (1 Thess. 1:9). Such change involves more than fearing the consequences of God’s judgment. Genuine repentance knows that the evil of sin must be forsaken and the person and work of Christ totally and singularly embraced. Peter exhorted his hearers to repent, otherwise they would not experience true conversion (see note on Matt. 3:2; cf. Acts 3:19; 5:31; 8:22; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; Matt. 4:17)

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 7:10 grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation. “Grief” here refers to sorrow that is according to the will of God and produced by the Holy Spirit (see note on 2 Tim. 2:25). True repentance cannot occur apart from such a genuine sorrow over one’s sin. The word “leads” is supplied by the translators; Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved, and then as believers, repent of their sins continually to keep the joy and blessing of their relationship to God (see notes on 1 John 1:7–9).

Now tell me that I am twisting JM's words, or taking them out of context, or misunderstand what he says???

will YOU now admit that YOU have misunderstood and misrepresented what JM teaches, and change your ways?

I have listened to many hours of MacArthur. I have read a pile of his reference material. IMO, on this topic, he is saying repentance IS necessary for salvation. The flip side is that as a high Calvinist he believes God ordained the repentance and that irresistible grace brings about the repentance just as it brings about the salvation.
Just keep in mind that when Johnny Mac talks about salvation, he is assuming you know that he believes man has no choice.

 

[kyredneck]

I have a burning question how does a DEAD man repent?... Brother Glen

DEAD men can do nothing until they are first made alive!:

4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

 

[kyredneck]

simply make a profession of faith and be saved though their lives show no evidence

Sounds like 'faith alone' to me.

 

[SavedByGrace]

DEAD men can do nothing until they are first made alive!:

4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

Ephesians 2:1-10. What Does Paul Say?

 

[SavedByGrace]

I have listened to many hours of MacArthur. I have read a pile of his reference material. IMO, on this topic, he is saying repentance IS necessary for salvation. The flip side is that as a high Calvinist he believes God ordained the repentance and that irresistible grace brings about the repentance just as it brings about the salvation.
Just keep in mind that when Johnny Mac talks about salvation, he is assuming you know that he believes man has no choice.

so God repents and believes for the elect sinner???

 

[Reformed1689]

From John MacArthur's Study Bible

ACTS—NOTE ON 2:38 Repent. This refers to a change of mind and purpose that turns an individual from sin to God (1 Thess. 1:9). Such change involves more than fearing the consequences of God’s judgment. Genuine repentance knows that the evil of sin must be forsaken and the person and work of Christ totally and singularly embraced. Peter exhorted his hearers to repent, otherwise they would not experience true conversion (see note on Matt. 3:2; cf. Acts 3:19; 5:31; 8:22; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20; Matt. 4:17)

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 7:10 grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation. “Grief” here refers to sorrow that is according to the will of God and produced by the Holy Spirit (see note on 2 Tim. 2:25). True repentance cannot occur apart from such a genuine sorrow over one’s sin. The word “leads” is supplied by the translators; Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved, and then as believers, repent of their sins continually to keep the joy and blessing of their relationship to God (see notes on 1 John 1:7–9).

Now tell me that I am twisting JM's words, or taking them out of context, or misunderstand what he says???

will YOU now admit that YOU have misunderstood and misrepresented what JM teaches, and change your ways?

LOL actually those statements say exactly what I have been saying. It is evidence, it proves one's salvation. Thanks for playing though.

 

[SavedByGrace]

LOL actually those statements say exactly what I have been saying. It is evidence, it proves one's salvation. Thanks for playing though.

Paul was saying that repentance belongs to the realm or sphere of salvation. Repentance is at the very heart of and proves one’s salvation: unbelievers repent of their sin initially when they are saved