Thoughts on the NLT

[JesusFan]

I disagree.
Psalms 2:7
* Acts of the Apostles 13:33
Romans 8:29
Colossians 1:15
Colossians 1:18
Hebrews 1:5-6
Hebrews 5:5
Revelation 1:5
These passages are about the resurrected Christ.

So he is not the Creator, and is the final authority over it?

 

[37818]

So he is not the Creator, and is the final authority over it?

No.
Learn to read.
In becoming a man He did not stop being the Creator, John 1:10. Being the firstborn refers to His being the first of His new creation. Romans 8:29, Revelation 1:5. And for that as the Creator and also the Man He has preeminence as explained in Colossians 1:16-18.

 

[JesusFan]

No.
Learn to read.
In becoming a man He did not stop being the Creator, John 1:10. Being the firstborn refers to His being the first of His new creation. Romans 8:29, Revelation 1:5. And for that as the Creator and also the Man He has preeminence as explained in Colossians 1:16-18.

Firstborn refers to His preincarnate position and rank over all Creation!

 

[37818]

Firstborn refers to His preincarnate position and rank over all Creation!

Absolutely not. Learn to read.
Firstborn refers to the post incarnate resurrected Christ. Colossians 1:18, ". . . the firstborn from the dead . . . ."

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I appreciate the 1996 edition of the NLT. In particular is how Romans 3:25a was translated.

"For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's wrath against us."

The current edition of the NLT is not so clear in Acts 13:48b :
"And all who were chosen for eternal life believed." The rendering is okay, but not strong enough.

The NIrV, though put in 3rd grade level has :
"All who were appointed for eternal life believed."

 

[Van]

Does Romans 3:25a actually say or suggest Jesus took the punishment for our sins? How about:
NLT
For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin.

NIV
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,

NASB
whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation

ESV
whom God put forward as a propitiation

CSB
God presented him as the mercy seat

NKJV
whom God set forth as a propitiation

Note that the word propitiation refers to the means of appeasement, or the means of reconciliation or the means of salvation. Jesus is the way and no one comes to the Father except through Him. So Jesus was not presented as a sacrifice for sin, but rather as the means of salvation. If God places an individual within Him, He is their propitiatory shelter. And how do you get to be placed within Him? Keep reading the verse!

Does Romans 3:25 say through pre-creation election, or through faith in His blood?

 

[Van]

The NLT has an interesting Bible in Six Volumes:

1) Beginnings
2) Prophets
3) Poets
4) Chronicles
5) Kingdoms
and
6) Messiah (the NT)

Each book has been formatted according to its natural literary genre, using line spacing and icons to indicate section breaks.

Thus the order of the books differs from what you may have expected.

Referring now to the Messiah (the New Testament) here is how the books are arranged in some of its sections:

First grouping section includes Luke's and Paul's writings:
Luke-Acts page 1-110
1 Thessalonians page 111-118
2 Thessalonians page 119 - 124
1 Corinthians page 125 - 148
2 Corinthians page 149 - 164
Galatians page 165 - 176
Romans page 177 - 202
Philemon page 203 - 206
Colossians page 207 - 214
Ephesians page 215 - 224
Philippians page 225 - 232
1 Timothy page 233 - 242
Titus page 243 - 248
2 Timothy page 249 - end of first section​

The second section has Mark's and Peter's and Jude's writings. As you can see, by reading ("immersing") a whole section at a time you may arrive at a better contextual understanding of the whole of scripture.

The complete six volume set costs about $102 dollars, with each volume costing about $17 dollars.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Note that the word propitiation refers to the means of reconciliation. So Jesus was not presented as a sacrifice for sin,

Propitiation is not the same as reconciliation. Reconciliation is the effect. Propitiation is the cause of reconciliation. Christ certainly was presented as a sacrifice for sin. How could it possibly not be!

Christ was the atoning (or appeasing) sacrifice that turns away divine wrath --taking away sin.

We receive forgiveness through faith in the death of Christ ---his blood. "Through faith in his blood" as the KJV renders it, limits the effect of this appeasement to believers alone.

"It is a propitiation through faith; otherwise it does not work. God cannot be known to be propitiated except through faith. There must be faith as the adhesive power that unites us with Christ in order to know that God is propitiated. God sets forth Christ as a propitiation objectively, in the cross. Subjectively, God brings it to the heart and mind of His people through faith. This is also of God." (Taken from Righteous By Faith Alone by Herman Hoeksema, page 130)

 

[Van]

Propitiation is not the same as reconciliation. Reconciliation is the effect. Propitiation is the cause of reconciliation. Christ certainly was presented as a sacrifice for sin. How could it possibly not be!

Christ was the atoning (or appeasing) sacrifice that turns away divine wrath --taking away sin.

We receive forgiveness through faith in the death of Christ ---his blood. "Through faith in his blood" as the KJV renders it, limits the effect of this appeasement to believers alone.

"It is a propitiation through faith; otherwise it does not work. God cannot be known to be propitiated except through faith. There must be faith as the adhesive power that unites us with Christ in order to know that God is propitiated. God sets forth Christ as a propitiation objectively, in the cross. Subjectively, God brings it to the heart and mind of His people through faith. This is also of God." (Taken from Righteous By Faith Alone by Herman Hoeksema, page 130)

Total nonsense, do not rewrite the word meaning. Trust a dictionary and lexicons. Propitiation is not the cause of reconciliation, it is the means of reconciliation. Believe what the bible says, not the slice and dice scramble of false teachers.

Note that the word propitiation refers to the means of appeasement, or the means of reconciliation or the means of salvation. Jesus is the way and no one comes to the Father except through Him. So Jesus was not presented as a sacrifice for sin, but rather as the means of salvation. If God places an individual within Him, He is their propitiatory shelter. And how do you get to be placed within Him? Keep reading the verse!

Does Romans 3:25 say through pre-creation election, or through faith in His blood?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Does Romans 3:25 say through pre-creation election, or through faith in His blood?

No, but you should not force an interpretation without accounting for the totality of Scripture. In Revelation 13:8 it refers to Christ as "the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world." And we know that the inhabitants of heaven are "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Rev. 21:27)

The elect (those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life) are not saved the moment they are born. During their lives they are converted.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Propitiation is not the cause of reconciliation, it is the means of reconciliation.

Without propitiation there cannot be reconciliation.

 

[Van]

No, but you should not force an interpretation without accounting for the totality of Scripture. In Revelation 13:8 it refers to Christ as "the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world." And we know that the inhabitants of heaven are "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Rev. 21:27)

The elect (those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life) are not saved the moment they are born. During their lives they are converted.

Calvinism is the doctrine that uses "forced" interpretation. Follow your own guidance. Stop making endless false charges.
Slain from or since the creation of the world, about 2000 years ago.
Those that are placed into Christ and then enrolled into the general assembly, Hebrews 12:22-23

 

[Van]

Without propitiation there cannot be reconciliation.

Now you present the biblical doctrine as if I had not already presented it.

 

[Van]

Post 87 was an effort to get this thread back on track, any comments from those interested in discussion of the topic?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Slain from or since the creation of the world, about 2000 years ago.

Laughing out loud!! You think the world was created about 2,000 years ago? Really? You must be the very youngest of young earthers. So, according to your thinking there was no Old Testament. Per your illogical reasoning there was no history before the advent of Christ. Incredible.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Now you present the biblical doctrine as if I had not already presented it.

You think that propitiation is not the cause of reconciliation. You are in error Van.

 

[Van]

You think that propitiation is not the cause of reconciliation. You are in error Van.

This post presents the false doctrine of Calvinism. Pay no attention to this fiction. Read your bibles, God is the cause of reconciliation.

 

[Van]

Laughing out loud!! You think the world was created about 2,000 years ago? Really? You must be the very youngest of young earthers. So, according to your thinking there was no Old Testament. Per your illogical reasoning there was no history before the advent of Christ. Incredible.

Talk about deliberate misrepresentation? Pay no attention to the falsehoods through up like a gusher, From the creation of the world refers to anytime after creation, such as 50 years ago or 2000 years ago or 4000 years ago.

This is all they have, misdirection.

 

[Van]

Post 87 was an effort to get this thread back on track, any comments from those interested in discussion of the topic?

Apparently no one has any interest in a NLT discussion?

Most anyone can read through the Messiah in 8 weeks by reading about 60 pages a week. Try it, you will like it.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

This post presents the false doctrine of Calvinism. Pay no attention to this fiction. Read your bibles, God is the cause of reconciliation.

Jesus (God) is both the propitiation as well as the propitiator.