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Featured Does God Ordain Everything That Takes Place?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 25, 2022.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    All except the church of England

    It is probably the same in the US
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    At least I understand what ORDAIN means unlike some on BB who invent their own meaning :Laugh
     
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    scottish episcopal church isn't growing. United Reformed isn't growing ( though it has reformed in the name it isn't,they sold out to the world), etc

    So what you stated is false. Can you show anything that substantiates your statement?
     
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    To ordain means to order or decree. It can mean to cause something to happen or to allow it to occur depending on the context. God can ordain things to occur without directly causing them.

    The Decrees of God are His eternal purpose, according to His will, whereby He has foreordained whatever comes to pass. His Decrees do not negate the responsibility of people for their sins, nor does it mean that God is responsible for sin. But, it necessarily is true that God knows all things actual as well as potential and that which exists due to His creative effort. It also follows that God has eternally known all events that have occurred, are occurring, and will occur in this creation including the fall, redemption, glorification, etc. Yet, God is not the one responsible for the sin in the world but has decreed by His permission that it be allowed to exist. Isaiah 46:9-10 says,

    “Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.”

    God’s efficacious decrees are those decrees which God has purposed and determined to occur, i.e., Acts 2:23 “this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.” God’s permissive decrees are those decrees where He permits things to occur, such as evil.
     
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    You live on an island by yourself, yet you declare everyone else is wrong. Then you ignore people who show you that you are on an island.
     
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    Again, thank you for your OPINION
    But - do you have a valid source/link for that info?
     
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    Okay - tell us your definition of ordain?
     
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    Check out #113
     
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    So God DECREED and ORDERED sin?

    Then He is the AUTHOR of sin
     
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    You're definition;
    13.II.13 Of the Deity, fate, or supernatural power: To appoint as part of the order of the universe or of nature; to decree, predestine, destine.
     
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    Nope.
    You need a paradigm shift.
     
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    The issue with these discussions is that you don't even try to understand or accurately represent what is being said. It's all just rhetoric from you.
     
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    Just why can't you guys who hold to reformed theology, honestly deal with the facts?

    ORDAIN means to ORDER which is the same as CAUSE. And yet you continue to argue with me as though I invented the meanings!

    If you can't understand this then you should relearn the English language
     
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    You don't understand scripture, you deny His sovereignty, you deny His omniscience and you deny His omnipotence. For in your mind if God is soverign, omniscient and omnipotent then God is the author of sin.
     
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    Dude you do talk a load of CODSWALLOP :eek:
     
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    Codswallop is what you believe. :Cool
     
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    I have always believed that the God of the Bible is

    Sovereign
    Omniscience
    Omnipresent
    The Saviour of the entire human race
    That the Holy Bible is the Infallible Inerrant Perfect Word of God
    Salvation is only possible by the sinner repenting of their sins and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

    Etc etc
     
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    That is a very subjective statement... How do you know who are the real Christians?
     
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    From what I have read on this site you are the one that does not allow God to be Sovereign. You want a god that will only do what you say he can do. Study your bible and perhaps you will finally understand who God really is and what He really wants.
     
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    The point being that Christians are moving away from Reformed theology.

    There are three such churches in the area where I live. They have all lost at least 30-50 % of attendees over the last few years.

    A Reformed friend of mine who spent many years in New England, said that the reformed churches were in decline.
     
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