Does God Ordain Everything That Takes Place?

[SavedByGrace]

really, which ones?

All except the church of England

It is probably the same in the US

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yeah people who are confused, have incoherent contradictory theology and who continually claim to hold to the Bible.

At least I understand what ORDAIN means unlike some on BB who invent their own meaning

 

[Mikey]

All except the church of England

It is probably the same in the US

scottish episcopal church isn't growing. United Reformed isn't growing ( though it has reformed in the name it isn't,they sold out to the world), etc

So what you stated is false. Can you show anything that substantiates your statement?

 

[Mikey]

At least I understand what ORDAIN means unlike some on BB who invent their own meaning

To ordain means to order or decree. It can mean to cause something to happen or to allow it to occur depending on the context. God can ordain things to occur without directly causing them.

The Decrees of God are His eternal purpose, according to His will, whereby He has foreordained whatever comes to pass. His Decrees do not negate the responsibility of people for their sins, nor does it mean that God is responsible for sin. But, it necessarily is true that God knows all things actual as well as potential and that which exists due to His creative effort. It also follows that God has eternally known all events that have occurred, are occurring, and will occur in this creation including the fall, redemption, glorification, etc. Yet, God is not the one responsible for the sin in the world but has decreed by His permission that it be allowed to exist. Isaiah 46:9-10 says,

“Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.”

God’s efficacious decrees are those decrees which God has purposed and determined to occur, i.e., Acts 2:23 “this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.” God’s permissive decrees are those decrees where He permits things to occur, such as evil.

 

[AustinC]

At least I understand what ORDAIN means unlike some on BB who invent their own meaning

You live on an island by yourself, yet you declare everyone else is wrong. Then you ignore people who show you that you are on an island.

 

[Salty]

The majority of Christian denominations are non reformed in their theology

Here in the UK I know of reformed churches closing down and many with declining attendance

Again, thank you for your OPINION
But - do you have a valid source/link for that info?

 

[Salty]

At least I understand what ORDAIN means unlike some on BB who invent their own meaning

Okay - tell us your definition of ordain?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Okay - tell us your definition of ordain?

Check out #113

 

[SavedByGrace]

To ordain means to order or decree. It can mean to cause something to happen or to allow it to occur depending on the context. God can ordain things to occur without directly causing them.

The Decrees of God are His eternal purpose, according to His will, whereby He has foreordained whatever comes to pass. His Decrees do not negate the responsibility of people for their sins, nor does it mean that God is responsible for sin. But, it necessarily is true that God knows all things actual as well as potential and that which exists due to His creative effort. It also follows that God has eternally known all events that have occurred, are occurring, and will occur in this creation including the fall, redemption, glorification, etc. Yet, God is not the one responsible for the sin in the world but has decreed by His permission that it be allowed to exist. Isaiah 46:9-10 says,

“Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.”

God’s efficacious decrees are those decrees which God has purposed and determined to occur, i.e., Acts 2:23 “this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.” God’s permissive decrees are those decrees where He permits things to occur, such as evil.

So God DECREED and ORDERED sin?

Then He is the AUTHOR of sin

 

[Mikey]

Check out #113

You're definition;
13.II.13 Of the Deity, fate, or supernatural power: To appoint as part of the order of the universe or of nature; to decree, predestine, destine.

 

[AustinC]

So God DECREED and ORDERED sin?

Then He is the AUTHOR of sin

Nope.
You need a paradigm shift.

 

[Mikey]

So God DECREED and ORDERED sin?

Then He is the AUTHOR of sin

The issue with these discussions is that you don't even try to understand or accurately represent what is being said. It's all just rhetoric from you.

 

[SavedByGrace]

The issue with these discussions is that you don't even try to understand or accurately represent what is being said. It's all just rhetoric from you.

Just why can't you guys who hold to reformed theology, honestly deal with the facts?

ORDAIN means to ORDER which is the same as CAUSE. And yet you continue to argue with me as though I invented the meanings!

If you can't understand this then you should relearn the English language

 

[Mikey]

Just why can't you guys who hold to reformed theology, honestly deal with the facts?

ORDAIN means to ORDER which is the same as CAUSE. And yet you continue to argue with me as though I invented the meanings!

If you can't understand this then you should relearn the English language

You don't understand scripture, you deny His sovereignty, you deny His omniscience and you deny His omnipotence. For in your mind if God is soverign, omniscient and omnipotent then God is the author of sin.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You don't understand scripture, you deny His sovereignty, you deny His omniscience and you deny His omnipotence. For in your mind if God is soverign, omniscient and omnipotent then God is the author of sin.

Dude you do talk a load of CODSWALLOP

 

[Mikey]

Dude you do talk a load of CODSWALLOP

Codswallop is what you believe.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Codswallop is what you believe.

I have always believed that the God of the Bible is

Sovereign
Omniscience
Omnipresent
The Saviour of the entire human race
That the Holy Bible is the Infallible Inerrant Perfect Word of God
Salvation is only possible by the sinner repenting of their sins and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

Etc etc

 

[Iconoclast]

Reformed and Calvinists are in the greater MINORITY in the world.

For which we must Praise the Good Lord

That is a very subjective statement... How do you know who are the real Christians?

 

[Silverhair]

I have answered you, but you have me on ignore. Now you just shout louder, even though you have been answered.

It is sad that human ignorance leads them to questioning the Sovereignty of God in all things. Simply because humans cannot wrap their puny grasp on mortality around God, they then start to accuse God of horrific things...not because God does those things they accuse him of, but solely because humans want God to be made in their image.
This thread, questioning the Sovereignty of God, is a perfect example of idol making.

From what I have read on this site you are the one that does not allow God to be Sovereign. You want a god that will only do what you say he can do. Study your bible and perhaps you will finally understand who God really is and what He really wants.

 

[SavedByGrace]

That is a very subjective statement... How do you know who are the real Christians?

The point being that Christians are moving away from Reformed theology.

There are three such churches in the area where I live. They have all lost at least 30-50 % of attendees over the last few years.

A Reformed friend of mine who spent many years in New England, said that the reformed churches were in decline.