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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by alexander284, Mar 2, 2022.

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  1. RipponRedeaux

    RipponRedeaux Well-Known Member

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    The NLT and NIV are in different categories. You know that.
     
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    I wouldn't call the NASB2020 a mediating translating. It leans more to the left --whereas the Living Bible is at the extreme right.
     
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    Recently you said that the NASB2020 reads like the CSB.
     
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    interesting how you seem to keep switching from translation to translation? What are you looking for? perfection?

    Try the Hebrew and Greek
     
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    Right or left of what? The LB is more commentary and opinion than translation. The NLT is better in the area translation but still more commentary and opinion than translation. The KJV > ASV > NASB > NKJV follow a common translation tradition. Though changes in textual choices and translation choices.
    The ASV > RSV > NRSV.
    The RSV > ESV.
    The NIV, 1978 > 1984 > 2011.
    There more ways and some others translations to consider. Most follow the now, I suppose, made popular CT readings.
    In 1968 my first Greek New Testament was Nestle [not Aland]. What I discovered, what seem to be the main textual disagreement was the typically oldest mss readings versus majority readings.
     
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    Not to the intent and meaning of the originals!
     
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    using them also!
     
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    Both in the more dynamic camp
     
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    True, as to me the 2011 Niv and Csb read quite a bit alike, as now does latest Nasb
     
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    Not perfection, as not into NasVO!
     
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    As has been stated many times, the ESV is not actually accurate, as it is based on the RSV rather than the NRSV. Thus Revelation 13:8 contains a RSV error that was fixed in the NRSV. Many times you will find "grammatical transformations" where a noun in Greek is changed to a verb in English. Several posters have said the more you use it, the more you grow to dislike it.

    Stick with the NKJV or NASB.
     
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    You have never seen those translation charts? Come on. I often disagree with the placements.

    This isn't exhaustive of course. I'm just picking a few notable ones.

    NKJV, NASB, ESV, NRSV, CSB, NIV, NET, NLT, NCV, CEV, GWT, GNB, Phillips

    The NIV is right smack dab in the middle, along with the CSB and NET. The ones on the left side of the ledger are more form-oriented and the ones on the right are more functionally equivalent. The ones in the middle blend the two other approaches.
     
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    I have called you on this before, just recently and many times in the past. No translator goes into Bible translation and says "I think I will ignore the intent and meaning of the originals and just do my own thing." That's laughable. Look at the scholarship and integrity of the translation teams. You would be ashamed to state the same to their faces.
     
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    So if those three read basically the same to you --are you now saying all three are mediating translations?
     
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    Maybe. But I wrote based on what I personally know.
     
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    I was replying to JF. I might as well call him Jeff.
     
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    I quoted the wrong post.
    I have not seen any recent translation charts. Again, my comment was based on what I Know.
     
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    They have a different purpose, as ther Nas wants to try to stick as literally to what the Hebrew and Greek texts stated, while Niv tries to make is read easier
     
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    Yes, think that the 2011 Niv.Csb/2020 Nas all in basically same camp now!
     
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