Featured The Biblical Atonement (continued 3)

The 64000 question is just HOW the wrath of the father due to us was propitiated, on what basis?

 

Not though Pauline Justification

 

From Romans:

21But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. 22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 25God presented Him as the atoning sacrificei through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand.

26He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

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The God provided The Christ as the atoning sacrifice. A matter the the law and prophets attested, too.

Was there ever an atoning sacrifice presented by God in which He would not be pleased?

Humans did not present the atoning Sacrifice, the Father did to demonstrate His righteousness.

Would God pour vengeance of wrath out upon that which He offered?

 

If you worship the beast, most certainly, if you are preserved and persevere in redemption then no.

9And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.11And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”​

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.” ​

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”
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You cannot state that Psa is not biblical nor not found in bible, just that you do not see it appearing in there!

 

Yes, as Jesus death was the propitiation for His divine wrath!

 

We were ALL children of wrath before saved by the Grace of God!

 

No Scriptures even come close to supporting that thinking.

If you think they do, then post them and show exactly the proof.

 

If it doesn’t appear in the Scriptures, then it isn’t biblical.

One cannot prove a negative, therefore, those that consider PSA scriptural must show it is foundational in the Scriptures.


Then also, by application, one must demonstrate how the wrath of God could be poured out on a member of the God head without it a violation of holiness for punishing the perfect sacrifice.

 

What divine wrath?

Divine wrath is for the ungodly not the Godly.

Are you suggesting that the Christ was ungodly?

If so then the unclean cannot make the unclean clean.

If Christ became unGodly, He would have needed a clean Saviour as any believer.

 

Why is it you present no Scriptures?

It is troubling that you make grand claims, but have not shown appropriate Scripture support.

What makes you think that God’s wrath had to be appeased?

Is there Scriptures for that thinking?

Not saying there isn’t, but you need to produce them so we all remain focused on the Scripture, not merely your opinion..

 

Entire bible supports it!

 

PSA elevates and honors the Lord Jesus, as His sacrifice for our sakes, by His enduring the wrath and judgement we should had received, is to bring praises to His name!

 

The denying duo (jon and aged) continue to simply work backwards from their carnal notions of certain implications, and not forward from the Scriptures, as if becoming moral and dying is less of a denial of the Trinity than enduring wrath.

So we can work backwards too. In the end, will there be an unsaved sinner receiving more than is his due? If so, then God is unjust, demanding more of the sinner than the true cost of his sin. If not, then how can one say the price of Redemption has been paid, if Christ did not endure wrath?