Featured The Biblical Atonement (continued 3)

Then you should be able to fine abundant passages that plainly state God poured His wrath out upon the Son.

 

@JesusFan @Aaron

Throughout these threads, @JonC and I have presented numerous Scriptures that state the Satisfaction, the victorious, the proper use of substitution, the fulfillment of prophecy, the propitiation, and so forth.

Neither of us has avoided, misused, or misapplied the Scriptures; rather, we have given the consistency by showing context the proofs.

All we have ask is that others provide the Scriptures stating the position they take that we may all compare Scripture with Scripture and that the final resolve is based upon Scripture and not philosophical conjurings.

Please , bring Scriptures to your view that we may examine the support.

 

And this is where you miss it.

The Denying Duo has been shown time and again, but, like insolent children, demand that the arguments conform to their verbatims. God is not inclined to acquiessce to childishness. So let's put the maxims to which they pay lip service to the test.

1. What does it mean to be made sin?

2. What does it mean to bear our sins?

3. What does it mean to be made a curse?

I will simply take the third case, because the Apostle lays out the argument for us, linking us right back to the law upon which His statement is based, and because Jon supplied a retort to the Apostle's case very useful in the undoing his own premises.

Paul said, and I agree with him, that Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:13

As is common among the NT writers, Paul did not quote the law verbatim, but drew from it the obvious implication. The writing to which Paul appealed is thus:

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23
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In retort, Jon said this:

So your interpretation of the passage is anybody who is hanged on a tree is cursed by God (like Peter, Black people who were lynched, the Hebrews who were crucified by the Saducces during the Hasmonean period, etc.)?​

Isn't that a little like witchcraft (if you want to have somebody cursed by God, hang them on a tree)?
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The retort is a ridiculous, obviously, and a DIStortion of the argument. Of course the mere hanging on a tree does not result in a curse. It is the guilt of the one hung, and the just sentence on that one for his sin that results in a curse.

When Paul said that Jesus became a curse for us, it means that He took our place in judgment. He took our sentence. It is really that simple.

 

It isn't eisegesis. He couldn't be a curse unless there was guilt and a sentence executed. It is not the mere hanging on a tree that is cursed of God, it is the guilty one under a sentence that is cursed.

He became our curse, by taking our guilt and our sin and our sentence. That's the significance of the Cross.

 

Umm, the Scriptures I cited?

He took our sins and our guilt. The Spirit knew that certain men would creep in and try to mitigate their own sin by mitigating the price Christ paid. And so the Apostle links the Cross with that law and says not only sins, but the curse of the law on sinners as well.

It is an evil heart of unbelief that denies this.

 

Neither @JonC or I refute the Scripture statements.

You desire that wrath must brought to purge and bring appeasement, but do the Scriptures teach that as the truth?

At any place did wrath upon a people bringing appeasement?

For example, the Revelations has the total of God's wrath poured out upon this creation. Did it bring appeasement so that none suffered the eternal flames?

No, it will not.

When the wrath shown to the Israel when the snakes came, or when the earth opened and swallowed whole groups, did it bring appeasement?

No, it did not.

Wrath never brings appeasement to God in the Scriptures, unless I missed some verse. So if I am in error I can be corrected.

Look and see, perhaps I am.

 

Colossians 2:

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.
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Such is what PSA theory is based upon.

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.

He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us.

He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
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Paul is comparing the estate of the human with the work of God and Christ. Where is the wrath from God shown in this passage?

Ephesians 2:

11Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace 16and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
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Paul, again, comparing the estate of the human with the work of God and Christ. Where is the wrath from God shown in this passage?

Romans 3:

21But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets.

22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

25God presented Him as the atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand. 26He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.
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Paul, again, showing the work of God and Christ. Where is the wrath from God shown in this passage?

God is BOTH just and the one who justifies. As both, it would not be within the attributes of God to bring wrath upon one who is "without sin."

Therefore, God cannot have poured wrath out upon either the sin, nor the Christ, for the latter bore (carried) the sin, those decrees of the Law that stood against the believers, and nailed them to the cross. The shedding of Blood brought the forgiveness of Sins. Not the Wrath of God.

There are so many more verses, but none show Christ suffered the wrath of God.

It is as Colossians 2 states concerning philosophies that can take folks captive such as the PSA theory:

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.​

 

Paul cites it, and says Christ on the Cross is the fullfillment of this law.

Exegesis.

 

You're forgetting the Baptist's own words on this. Behold, the Lamb of God. What was the purpose in the Israelite's bringing of a lamb to the Tabernacle?

Don't start with your own notions. Start with the Scriptures, and then work forward.

 

God in His righteousness judged their sins in the substitutes they brought. It pointed to Christ.

 

Sure. Behold the lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world. Here Christ is identified with the sacrifices.