Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation

[SavedByGrace]

One thing you don't find in older writings, from ancient up through the Puritan era is this idea that God has to meet some standard that we feel is fair. Even when you read Augustine in the journals of his younger days everything good that came his way was considered by God's grace. It seems to be the case up until the modern era. I think it is obvious that our lives don't work that way and there is no way you can come up with a "fair" playing field with the gospel even if you go complete Pelagian. A lot of folks never hear the gospel, others hear it weekly from their youth. If you camp for long on the idea that God had better meet some standard of fairness that satisfies you then you will soon be an atheist. That is one of their best arguments.

Calvinism and the WCF has a certain systematic theology. If you can't stand it you do not have to use it. I can't reconcile some parts of it in my mind either but I don't reject it because it has a lot of scripture to back it up and I like the teaching of the people who developed it. I don't see a better alternative although in my mind (and I speak only for myself) I think everyone from semi-Pelagian through classic Arminianism and on to high Calvinism can be true Christians. I don't think Calvinism will ever be popular once the YRR falls apart and it will (is). I am also beginning to understand that mug R.C. Sproul sells.

forget Arminianism and Calvinism and Pelagianism, it is what the Bible says that really matters. It is very clear from Scripture, that Monergism is a man-made theology, and 100% against the Bible!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Certainly they were physically able to hear and believe, but does not the Scriptures indicate that not all had ears to hear, and that God had purposefully caused those to be in a state of blindness?

John 5:25

Most certainly I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God’s voice; and those who hear will live

this is talking about the spiritual dead, and not physical! Those who are spiritually dead, and who hear the gospel, and repent and believe, will live!

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are not reading but rather gibing your emotional ideas and drifting into make believe.

facts are facts, which is not what reformed theology is! Monergism, is NOT Biblical.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Y A W N ... (yet another 'mansplainin' of what we "really" believe.)
That is an intellectually bankrupt approach to any discussion.
"You don't really know what you believe, so I will tell you" is nonsensical twaddle.

Try starting with - they believe what they claim they believe - and "engage in conversation" from there.

it is "twaddle" to you, because you cannot respond from the Bible, to counter what I say!

 

[SavedByGrace]

I am also beginning to understand that mug R.C. Sproul sells

with his name on it!

 

[37818]

Monergism, is NOT Biblical.

It the only salvation in the Bible. John 10:27-29. Particular redemption is the reason for the general redemption. And without the general redemption not anyone today can even know Christ died for them. [Luke 22:20-21.]

 

[SavedByGrace]

It the only salvation in the Bible. John 10:27-29. Particular redemption is the reason for the general redemption. And without the general redemption not anyone today can even know Christ died for them. [Luke 22:20-21.]

There can be no salvation without the sinner first responding to the conviction by the Holy Spirit, by repentance and faith.

 

[37818]

There can be no salvation without the sinner first responding to the conviction by the Holy Spirit, by repentance and faith.

And unless God does the saving [Titus 1:2] one is still toast. Our faith doesn't cause what God does.

 

[SavedByGrace]

And unless God does the saving [Titus 1:2] one is still toast. Our faith doesn't cause what God does.

The sinner can only respond to the conviction by the Holy Spirit. Who then saves them upon repentance and faith. This makes Monergism impossible

 

[37818]

The sinner can only respond to the conviction by the Holy Spirit. Who then saves them upon repentance and faith. This makes Monergism impossible

No. That is Monergism. We responded and God solely does the saving and the keeping. God does not need our help.

 

[37818]

If God needs us in order to for us to get saved, then we need to keep ourselves saved too.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No. That is Monergism. We responded and God solely does the saving and the keeping. God does not need our help.

the sinner does not "help" God, but responds to the convicting by the Holy Spirit, and in this sense "cooperates (accepts)" with the Spirit in repenting and faith.

 

[SavedByGrace]

If God needs us in order to for us to get saved, then we need to keep ourselves saved too.

repentance and faith BY the sinner, shows that regeneration is the responding by the sinner to the inner conviction by the Holy Spirit

 

[SavedByGrace]

If God needs us in order to for us to get saved, then we need to keep ourselves saved too.

Philippians 2:12-13, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasur"

It is JOINT!

 

[atpollard]

it is "twaddle" to you, because you cannot respond from the Bible, to counter what I say!

That would require my objecting to what you say about the Bible.
(I am indifferent to wrong opinions on exegesis … everyone is entitled to their opinion.)
I was objecting to your telling other people that they do not understand what THEY believe and that YOU would explain what THEY believe to THEM. That was objectionable “twaddle”.

 

[37818]

the sinner does not "help" God, but responds to the convicting by the Holy Spirit, and in this sense "cooperates (accepts)" with the Spirit in repenting and faith.

Salvation is a gift which must be received as a gift. So it is solely Monergism.

 

[37818]

repentance and faith BY the sinner, shows that regeneration is the responding by the sinner to the inner conviction by the Holy Spirit

Receiving the gift. Ephesians 2:8, ". . . that not of yourselves . . . ."

 

[Dr. Bob]

the sinner does not "help" God, but "cooperates" with the Spirit.

Perhaps understanding the damnable false teaching of salvation by works might clear this up. I am sure you don't believe YOU have to "do" something to be saved. BTW, "doing" is a work. "Adding" to what God has done is a work.

You say "Believing" isn't a "work"?? "Accepting" isn't a "work"??

Perhaps understanding simple English will help: Webster #1 definition of "work" = "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."

So, in the false doctrine of synergistic (cooperative) salvation, if man "cooperates" with the Spirit (your word) but such "cooperation" (doing a good work and we know that all we do, even good things, is vile and filthy to holy God) is now to be called NOT doing something? Or is it George Orwell's "Newspeak"

 

[37818]

Philippians 2:12-13, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasur"

It is JOINT!

No. One cannot work out a salvation one has not yet received. The purpose of the salvation is to have the works, Ephesians 2:10.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Perhaps understanding the damnable false teaching of salvation by works might clear this up. I am sure you don't believe YOU have to "do" something to be saved. BTW, "doing" is a work. "Adding" to what God has done is a work.

You say "Believing" isn't a "work"?? "Accepting" isn't a "work"??

Perhaps understanding simple English will help: Webster #1 definition of "work" = "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."

So, in the false doctrine of synergistic (cooperative) salvation, if man "cooperates" with the Spirit (your word) but such "cooperation" (doing a good work and we know that all we do, even good things, is vile and filthy to holy God) is now to be called NOT doing something? Or is it George Orwell's "Newspeak"

Did you read jonah 3.10 and Acts 2.37?