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Rev, you show me no biblical evidence to go against what I have shared.
Confession always comes after salvation (God graciously making a person alive, even when they were dead - Ephesians 2:1-9). It is never an action that causes God to save somebody.

Therefore, since confession comes after salvation, it is an effect of salvation and is not a work.
However, if you demand confession come first...as a necessary requirement for salvation...then you have removed grace as the means of salvation and replaced it with a legal work of the law.

 

Well, you know what you believe. And you seem to have no correct understanding about what I believe or why.
Do you know the difference between from a context and out of context?

 

So believer's baptism is not a work?

 

Just to clarify, you are of the position though that all saved individuals will confess Christ immediately though, it is not a process over time?

 

So let me get some clarification on what you believe. Will someone who is saved immediately confess or could it be days, months or years later?

 

Yeah, after one saved, why not? It also not wrong to confess and believe as prescribed in Romans 10:9, to obtain salvation. Only that such a confession is not a prerequisite. And personally see confession with the mouth, prayer and believer's baptism as works of the faith.

 

I think it's actually on topic.
The question of "should people ask Jesus into their heart" begs the question of when a person is saved. Is it before or after the asking? If one says it's before then it's an effect of salvation. If one says salvation is after the asking, then the act of asking becomes a human work that is not ny grace.

For those who truly have faith in their prayer, I would say their prayer is an effect of God's having saved them. For those who pray and there is no change in actions or faith, I suggest the person was not saved and the prayer was an attempt to cause God to act and thus attempt to be saved by their own action.

 

I see them as happening simultaneously so I think, overall in principle, we actually agree here.

 

Yes. I believe you have been very good at presenting that type of understanding.
For me, personally, that understanding does not work.

 

Baptism us not a requirement for salvation but if it were it would not be a work. The response God requires from the gospel offer cannot be a work. If God requires belief, repentance, confession or whatever those are not works.

When we are handed a gift and we make the effort to reach out and receive it do we also claim that we are partially responsible for giving ourselves the gift? Of course not. In the same way our response to the gospel offer is not part of the justification for our salvation. Because God designed it that way He remains soveriegn.


Arguments stating that it effects Gods sovereignty or its a work are bad and therefore not legitimate arguments. They arent because if God set it up that way then it negates those claims.

The only legitimate argument is “did God set it up that way?” Period

 

That's what the Church of Christ churches believe. They broke from Baptist. And Landmark Baptist were also a result.
The Landmark Controversy: A Study in Baptist History and Polity | Maranatha Baptist Seminary

 

Oh but it is, you just do not want to accept it. If God expects us to respond to the invitation before we are saved, then who are you to say how or with what words that response is made. Some may shout some may whimper but God will hear them all and the angels will sing.

 

Romans 10:9-10

 

I dont care what they believe its not relevant and not part of my understanding of scripture. Your problem is your stuck on what is a work. Its the wrong focus.

 

Right that would be the grace of God by/through faith. So if scripture says that why do you not accept it?

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

So? Does it have to say those exact words? Why? Do you even know what it means when someone asks Jesus into their heart? Based on all the talk im not sure many around here fo?

 

Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?
And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Notice that you need a preacher to preach so people hear and hearing believe and believing they call on the Lord for salvation. Austin you always get Eph 2:8 wrong. " For by grace you have been saved through faith" and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,. Salvation is not of ourselves it is a gift from God because of our faith.

 

So Austin you disagree with scripture.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

Um, I do accept that...