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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AVL1984, Mar 18, 2022.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    You realize Matthew 7 has nothing to do with Lordship Salvation right? Lordship salvation means that when you are saved there will be an obvious change, you know, a new creation, you will be different. Changed. Jesus will be the Lord of your life. It is the EVIDENCE of your salvation.
     
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    The individuals in Matthew 7:21-23 acknowledged Christ's Lordship but not according to God's will (verse 21). In Romans 10:9 it is the believing that is the requirement, not the work of confessing.
     
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    That's not what Lordship Salvation is.
     
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    It says believe and.....

    In fact, it says confess first. So....
     
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    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
     
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    That mere statement does nothing to show that concept is even Biblical one.
     
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    To confess is a work. The work (like in Romans 10:13, Mark 16:16) is never a requirement.
     
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    Great prove it
     
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    Lordship Salvation is a theological term, like Trinity is, it has nothing to do with merely saying the word Lord. It has to do with making Christ LORD of your life.
     
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    You could say the same thing about believe. You are the one arguing with Scripture here, not me.
     
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    Out of all the people who make such claims as confessing or choosing is a work no one yet has made any effort to show from scripture that any of them are works and contrary to grace.
     
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    Here is what I know. The Bible says you have to confess and believe. If you say otherwise you are directly going against Scripture.
     
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    Sure we have. We have pointed out, again and again that while we were still dead in sin, God made us alive. By grace we were saved (Ephesians 2:4-5).
    Unless we were made alive (quickened) by God we could not and would not confess. Therefore there is no choosing of God by unredeemed man. If there were...it would be a work of man and not a grace of God.

    Rev, this is clear evidence. Will you accept it or argue around it?
     
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    Prove what?
    Romans 4:5, ". . . But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. . . ."
    John 6:47, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. . . ."
    John 3:16, ". . . For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. . . ."
    Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4, ". . . the gospel . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . ."
     
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    Is it? Sounds more like Calvinism to me....Which, by the way, ISN'T what this thread is about...Want to talk Calvinism...start your own thread please.
     
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    He quoted Scripture DIRECTLY related to your OP.
     
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    Ok, you quote Paul multiple times, so did Paul contradict himself or are you just taking verses out of context? Hmmm....I know the answer to that one...
     
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    I see your point. And I have been on the receiving end of such behavior, so I should know better.

    Therefore, I retract my previous statement, in light of your correction.

    Thank you for presenting your case without being contentious, sir.
     
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    nope, just because you use the debate tactic of accusing me of arguing around it prior to my response doest negate my response as you wish.

    you pointed out that salvation is only by the grace of God and on that we agree. Simply adding, after that, that it would be a work and contrary to grace is only a claim with no evidence.
     
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    there is nothing here that proves confessing is a work. I have no idea why you thing it does. Works in scripture is a reference to ot law
     
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