Did a C or A say this?

I will be honest. You would be the first free will calvinist I have ever met.. lol

Calvinist are my brothers and sisters I have no doubt, I disagree with how we get to the end result. but the end result is the same.

 

That just goes to show what we are thinking.

He is arguing doctrine based on what he was taught and thinks. Not listenign to what we are saying

 

Jon, do you even comprehend how condescending you are? It is clear ypu have a much higher view of yourself than others have of you. It's best if I ignore you rather than be frustrated by that which you are blind about yourself.
Feel free to go on reading books that deny the substitionary atonement of Christ or soteriology of grace. From my perspective you have abandoned the teaching of the vast majority of Christianity to cling to a novel view you cannot even clearly articulate. Following your path would in essence be a suicide mission in the path to sanctification while here on earth. I cannot join your path and I am fully at peace not joining you.

 

I have listened quite well, thank you. I have found your theories entirely empty of merit. Moreso they are entirely built upon a house of cards that represent sentences removed from context that are merely prooftext for a pretext.

 

You just proved Jon's point about some of the calvinists on BB.

 

I asked a serious question. Jonny Mac was referred to as a “high Calvinist”. I asked what that meant. I am attempting to engage the OP.

You made a (funny) joke about Calvinists smoking marijuana.

Then the complaints of insults and crickets.

So, really it’s a waste of time and cyber space to attempt to have the conversation, so I’ll leave you to it.

peace to you

 

Really

Tell me what my theories are..

I will be waiting patiently.

 

really?

you should read your own posts

 

Go back and read them for yourself.

 

Noted and understood. Thank you.

 

Did a screen shot of the text. Seem odd that JM can't see the obvious contradiction in what he says. You have to think he just does not understand what these verses mean. 1Ti 4:10; Eph 1:13; Joh 3:15-17

 

Saving faith is not a work and cannot be a work whether you are an Arminian or a Calvinist. Your original post definition is just fine and I can show you other heavyweight Calvinists who had a similar definition. There is a way faith can be considered a work and it is this: Some guys like Richard Baxter, who I greatly admire and respect, fell into a form of neonomianism where he basically said something like this.Baxter was concerned in that he observed that some of the soldiers he served with had become antinomian and thought living a Godly life was not important. So he came up with the idea that Christ had fulfilled the old law and replaced it with a new easier law that we had to obey to be saved. And the new law was you had to have faith and then practice sincere obedience. In that context, critics said he had made faith into a "work" because it was part of the new law.

 

Sounds like you are talking about how you present calvinism.

 

Seriously? Jon most of your posts in recent months have been FULL of condescension.

 

I don't know of any Calvinist that does NOT believe in free will. The question is not whether free will exists, the question is what is free will? What does that mean? Free will doesn't exist in a vaccum where there is an equal choice between two options. You have a desire, a sinful one, and that is the will you have and always go with unless that will is changed. Scripture confirms this when it says nobody seeks God and that God must draw (literally drag) someone to himself.

 

So according to you Jesus drags all to Himself.
Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

So you are prompting universalism by your own words.

 

That is not free will.

I believe God draws us also. The difference is we have free will even when God draws us, to still reject or accept. That's why roman's 1 says no one has an excuse.. Because we not only Know God. we know because of our sin we are guilty and deserving of judgment.

Part of God drawing us to himself is to prove our guilt. which is why the law was given.

Saying a person could never chose to receive the gift of God is not free will.

In most calvinist discussions I have had, when I discuss free will. most calvin leaning people tell me I am wrong. and just trying to save myself which is not true,.