Featured Why did Christ say he would draw all men to himself.

You have yet to show me where that is so. Just saying NA NA NA your wrong really does not work. Well it will for a calvinist as that seems to be a standard type of response.

 

I do not have a problem with this text because of verses 1 and 2. It's not talking about individuals.

 

I actually exegeted John 12:32 and showed you that it is not talking about individuals because of context, something you don't seem to care about. You ignored it and, in fact, you are the one saying NA NA NA.

Does John 12:32 Go Against The Doctrines of Grace? – Reformed Truths

 

World means world. In what context does it mean individuals? That burden of proof is on you. You are the one making the claim.

 

It says sinners, not every single sinner.
Jesus will save every sinner the Father
Gave to Him, no more, no less.

 

Well your comments are entire rubbish, showing you have absolutely no clue what Reformed theology believes. If you did, you would understand John Newtons words. As it is, you don't understand grace.

1 Amazing grace (how sweet the sound) that saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found,
was blind, but now I see.

2 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, and grace my fears relieved;
how precious did that grace appear
the hour I first believed!

3 Through many dangers, toils and snares I have already come: 'tis grace has brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home.

4 The Lord has promised good to me,
his word my hope secures; he will my shield and portion be as long as life endures.

5 Yes, when this flesh and heart shall fail, and mortal life shall cease:
I shall possess, within the veil,
a life of joy and peace.

6 The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, the sun forbear to shine;
but God, who called me here below,
will be forever mine.

 

If he came to save all, all would be saved.

 

Paul is addressing both Jew and Gentile Christians who make up the Israel of God. He spends the first 11 chapters painstakingly making the argument that all believers are and have been justified by faith alone. He then takes chapters 12-16 to show that the Church is united with Christ and neither Jew nor Greek can claim to be better than the other.
Have you never really studied this letter? It is the magnus opus of Paul's writings.

But, maybe you don't really want there to be this unity of believers because then...your theory is ruined.

 

For the 1000 time. What you say is destroyed by John 3.16

 

No it isn't.

 

This is completely irrational.

 

It is very simple. The WORLD in John 3:16 cannot be limited to the elect only. Because this verse says that WHOEVER out of this WORLD believes in Jesus, will be saved. If WORLD is the elect, then it is clear that some of the elect will be lost, because verse 18 says that there are those who will not believe! Even the Reformed theologian, Robert Dabney understood this

“In Jno.iii.16, make ‘the world’ which Christ loved, to mean ‘the elect world’, and we reach the absurdity, that some of the elect may not believe, and perish…since Christ made expiation for every man” (Systematic Theology, p.525)

 

No...the world is where they are found.
The Whoever/every believing one are the elect.

 

1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,

Did you miss that part or do you just ignore what you do not like?

 

LOL and that does not necessitate died and paid for every individual, just those who would believe.

 

AND 2. You seriously have a problem with contextual reading don't you?

 

Reformed Truths, now that seems like an oxymoron to me. When you deny the clear truths of the bible it becomes real hard to believe what you say.

 

I'm not the one denying truth. But thanks for the ad hominem since you couldn't deal with the post.

 

Your words here David, "However, John 12:32 shows that Jesus is proclaiming that salvation is to both Jew and Gentile. So “all people” in verse 32 means all people groups Jew and Gentile."

So what are people groups made up of? My guess would be individuals. So when Christ said he would draw all to Himself would you not conclude that means people/individuals. He has not drawn all Jews or all Greeks has He. You are forcing your theology onto the text.

Just trust what the Holy Spirit wanted to be said and you will not have so many problems with the bible.

This is why I am glad I did not grow up with any of the "ism's". I just learned to trust the text of the bible.

 

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

For God so loved the world, here we see that God loves His creation.
whoever believes in Him should not perish, that must be people, right.
God did not send His Son into the world, here we have Christ being born as a human being.
to condemn the world, What has sinned so as to be condemned?
but that the world through Him might be saved. So what is getting saved?
"He who believes in Him is not condemned. That would be people, right?

So when Christ Jesus says that He will draw all to Himself it is people not people groups He means. Christ saves individuals not people groups.