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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Mar 22, 2022.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    I claimed no such thing. I said you have a humanistic view of God. Not a biblical one.
     
    #61 Reformed1689, Mar 23, 2022
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    Nope I do not have to deal with anything.

    They ar given to him, whoever sees and believes
    As apposed to those who do not believe.

    The separation all through scripture is faith. Period.. Those who trust God will be saved, those who do not. Will be cursed..
     
    #62 Eternally Grateful, Mar 23, 2022
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    If you relying on John 6 for those given by the Father then you pulled it out of context. Those chosen before the foundation of the world are those that believe.
     
    #63 Revmitchell, Mar 23, 2022
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    Do you know the difference between a simile and a metaphor?
     
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    Your basing your position on what you were taught my friend

    Jesus said he came to die for the world. The cosmos.

    Your church teaches you the world is the elect. It is not the elect. If it was the elect only John 3 makes absolutely no sense
     
    #65 Eternally Grateful, Mar 23, 2022
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    Yes, and those are the same given by the Father. This is before they believe can we agree on that?
     
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    No, what I was taught was Christ died for all individuals. When I studied Scripture, I found that is not anywhere in Scripture.
     
    #67 Reformed1689, Mar 23, 2022
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    Why?
     
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    Now you are just looking dumb. I do not say world means elect do I? Quit being a parrot.
     
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    If he died for all, that means all sins would be paid for. If someone is still condemned after the debt is satisfied God is no longer just. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep, not the sheep and the goats.
     
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    No we cant. Given by the Father is a reference to those immediate disciples and its about service not salvation.
     
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    You asked me who I was to question God.

    And I put it right back at you..

    Let’s stick to facts, Not what you think

    When you make comments like that I will put them right back at you.

    What you think does not matter, anymore than what I think matters.

    What matters is what God thinks
     
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    Except that God requires a response from us in order for it to apply.
     
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    Their sins are paid for

    Look at the great white throne, they do not suffer the second death because of sin, Even Jesus said they are damned because of unbelief,

    Jesus said all sin will be forgiven men..
     
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    I would love to know how in the world you come to that conclusion.
     
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    Why don't you post some Scripture for that...
     
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    I'm telling you what the Bible says. You do not have a biblical view.
     
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    I don't dispute that.
     
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    Yet John 3 states that very fact.

    Don;t tell me you were taught Christ died for everyone, I am not buying it. Your telling me everything every calvinist I have ever met tells me, You use the same excuses, the same arguments and the same strawman arguments,

    That does not come from you being taught that Christ died for the whole world

    Cosmos (world) in scripture by defenition is the world which is ruled by satan, and those who are in that world

    Jesus died for them, that whoever among them believes in him will nto die. But have eternal life.
     
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    There you go again.

    I take it you have no desire to discuss.

    Because that argument comes from pride. Not from the truth. Because I can use that same argument against you/. But where does it get us.

    Let’s discuss the word. Not what you think again, what you and I think does not matter.
     
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