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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Mar 22, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    LOL, I am sure you don't recognize the circular oxymoronic statement you just made. Let me lay it out for you so you hopefully see it.

    1) We don't get to choose.
    2) God gets to choose.
    3) We don't choose to believe and God chose the one who chose to believe.

    LOL, I can't make it up. You canceled out your own assertion.
     
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    Did Adam and Eve have the choice to enter into the Garden once God threw them out?
     
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    They believe because they were chosen.
     
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    1. Yes I did.
    2. It says no.
    3. Yes
    4. No, not without a change in status from God. Nobody is righteous, nobody seeks God. Deny scripture if you want...
     
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    Then God is evil

    End of discussion

    Take your attitude and go away. I am done speaking with you.
     
    #45 Eternally Grateful, Mar 23, 2022
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    Nope
    They were chosen Because God knew they would believe.

    Believe it or Not, God os omniscient. He predestined based on foreknowledge.

    God can not go against his character, he cant claim to be a God of love, then sho a total lack of love to many
     
    #46 Eternally Grateful, Mar 23, 2022
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    And here is your error. You are basing this on a humanistic view of God. Your post is not based in Scripture.
     
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    Who are you to question God?
     
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    They believe because the word of God was preached and they believed.

    Romans 10:13-17
     
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    So it is all on their own?
     
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    nothing i posted could reasonably be construed that way. It was the power of the gospel, the power of Gods word, it was the preacher who was sent.

    Honestly the minimizing of the power of Gods word by augustinian deterministic theology is troublesome
     
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    Here's the problem, something made them believe. No it was not the Gospel, that was the activator. But not everyone who hears the Gospel believes. There is something else.
     
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    Just because some believe and some dont doesnt negate the power of the gospel. It works that way because that is how God designed it.
     
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    I didn't say it negated the power of the Gospel, what I did say is there has to be another determining factor. They have to be given to Christ to come to him. That is before belief.
     
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    Not how God designed it. The gospel is the only power necessary to believe. It has that much power. Hebrews 4:12
     
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    I am basing it n the worse of God. And not basing it on what some pastor told me

    Jesus said himself he was sent to die fo the world so whoever believed will not die. In the same context he said whoever believes is not condemned whoever does nto believe is condemned already.

    Now we can take Jesus at his word. Or we can twist his words to make him say something else.

    God died for all.. Thats his right and what he claimed he did based on his love.

    That does nt mean the world will be saved, God will not force his salvation on anyone..
     
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    You still have to deal with the fact that the only ones that come to Christ are the ones given by the Father and that happens before they come to Christ. Not to mention they were chosen before the foundation of the world. The Gospel is the activator, not the reason/cause.
     
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    Who are you to question God. And who are you to claim God is not the god of love he claims to be? And a person who picks and choses some, and denies even the possibility of love to others. When everyone is guilty.
     
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    And the simile is the SHEEP, the same sheep which appear in the parable of the last judgement, where the SHEEP appear as a metaphor for the SAVED.

    And Calvinism ONLY is true if Judas, once explicitly called a SHEEP by Jesus, is now in heaven looking down and smiling on you.
     
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    I am basing my position on the Bible, not what some pastor told me. See how that works?

    Jesus did not say he was sent to die for every individual. Show me one verse that states that. You will not find one. It says he came to save whoever believes. John 3 doesn't say who he died for specifically.

    No, he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved.
     
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