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What Is Free Will?

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Eternally Grateful said:
Who are you to question God. And who are you to claim God is not the god of love he claims to be? And a person who picks and choses some, and denies even the possibility of love to others. When everyone is guilty.
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I claimed no such thing. I said you have a humanistic view of God. Not a biblical one.
 
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Reformed1689 said:
You still have to deal with the fact that the only ones that come to Christ are the ones given by the Father and that happens before they come to Christ. Not to mention they were chosen before the foundation of the world. The Gospel is the activator, not the reason/cause.
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Nope I do not have to deal with anything.

They ar given to him, whoever sees and believes
As apposed to those who do not believe.

The separation all through scripture is faith. Period.. Those who trust God will be saved, those who do not. Will be cursed..
 
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Reformed1689 said:
You still have to deal with the fact that the only ones that come to Christ are the ones given by the Father and that happens before they come to Christ. Not to mention they were chosen before the foundation of the world. The Gospel is the activator, not the reason/cause.
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If you relying on John 6 for those given by the Father then you pulled it out of context. Those chosen before the foundation of the world are those that believe.
 
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And the simile is the SHEEP, the same sheep which appear in the parable of the last judgement, where the SHEEP appear as a metaphor for the SAVED.

And Calvinism ONLY is true if Judas, once explicitly called a SHEEP by Jesus, is now in heaven looking down and smiling on you.
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Do you know the difference between a simile and a metaphor?
 
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Reformed1689 said:
I am basing my position on the Bible, not what some pastor told me. See how that works?

Jesus did not say he was sent to die for every individual. Show me one verse that states that. You will not find one. It says he came to save whoever believes. John 3 doesn't say who he died for specifically.

No, he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved.
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Your basing your position on what you were taught my friend

Jesus said he came to die for the world. The cosmos.

Your church teaches you the world is the elect. It is not the elect. If it was the elect only John 3 makes absolutely no sense
 
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Revmitchell said:
If you relying on John 6 for those given by the Father then you pulled it out of context. Those chosen before the foundation of the world are those that believe.
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Yes, and those are the same given by the Father. This is before they believe can we agree on that?
 
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Eternally Grateful said:
Your basing your position on what you were taught my friend

Jesus said he came to die for the world. The cosmos.

Your church teaches you the world is the elect. It is not the elect. If it was the elect only John 3 makes absolutely no sense
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No, what I was taught was Christ died for all individuals. When I studied Scripture, I found that is not anywhere in Scripture.
 
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I claimed no such thing. I said you have a humanistic view of God. Not a biblical one.
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You asked me who I was to question God.

And I put it right back at you..

Let’s stick to facts, Not what you think

When you make comments like that I will put them right back at you.

What you think does not matter, anymore than what I think matters.

What matters is what God thinks
 
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Reformed1689 said:
If he died for all, that means all sins would be paid for. If someone is still condemned after the debt is satisfied God is no longer just. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep, not the sheep and the goats.
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Except that God requires a response from us in order for it to apply.
 
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Reformed1689 said:
If he died for all, that means all sins would be paid for. If someone is still condemned after the debt is satisfied God is no longer just. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep, not the sheep and the goats.
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Their sins are paid for

Look at the great white throne, they do not suffer the second death because of sin, Even Jesus said they are damned because of unbelief,

Jesus said all sin will be forgiven men..
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Eternally Grateful said:
You asked me who I was to question God.

And I put it right back at you..

Let’s stick to facts, Not what you think

When you make comments like that I will put them right back at you.

What you think does not matter, anymore than what I think matters.

What matters is what God thinks
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I'm telling you what the Bible says. You do not have a biblical view.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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Reformed1689 said:
No, what I was taught was Christ died for all individuals. When I studied Scripture, I found that is not anywhere in Scripture.
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Yet John 3 states that very fact.

Don;t tell me you were taught Christ died for everyone, I am not buying it. Your telling me everything every calvinist I have ever met tells me, You use the same excuses, the same arguments and the same strawman arguments,

That does not come from you being taught that Christ died for the whole world

Cosmos (world) in scripture by defenition is the world which is ruled by satan, and those who are in that world

Jesus died for them, that whoever among them believes in him will nto die. But have eternal life.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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Reformed1689 said:
I'm telling you what the Bible says. You do not have a biblical view.
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There you go again.

I take it you have no desire to discuss.

Because that argument comes from pride. Not from the truth. Because I can use that same argument against you/. But where does it get us.

Let’s discuss the word. Not what you think again, what you and I think does not matter.
 
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