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Does your bible not include verse Joh 6:45?

 

Perhaps the fact God put a guard on the gate may have had something to do with it.
Gen 3:24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

That's why your question is foolish.

 

Rom 1:20, Joh 16:8-10, preachers, other Christians. God does influence people. To influence someone means to have the capacity to have an effect on a choice but it does not determine what that choice will be.

 

No that is a choice. But they also could have chosen differently.
Joh 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Notice choice, that is called free will.

 

Your dots don't connect, Silverhair.
That I did not choose my Redeemer, but he chose me, does not equate to me not knowing my Redeemer has saved me.
What it does is it humbles me that God chose to redeem a wretch like me.
Have you never sang Amazing Grace? John Newton was Reformed in his theology. He understood Amazing grace.

What is the free will stanza? Oh yeah, it goes like this:
Arminian "grace!"
How strange the sound,
Salvation hinged on me.
I once was lost
then turned around,
Was blind then chose to see.

What "grace" is it
that calls for choice,
Made from some good within?
That part that wills
to heed God's voice,
Proved stronger than my sin.

through many ardent gospel pleas,
I sat with heart of stone.
But then some hidden good in me,
Propelled me toward my home.

When we've been there
ten thousand years,
Because of what we've done,
We've no less days
to sing our praise,
Than when we first begun.

 

So the fact that you do not deal with posts you do not like tells us what?

 

Nothing foolish about it. God doesn't let you in just cause you want to get in. He guards his garden. Only the perfect Adam can walk in the garden and he must choose you.

 

Your foolishness is tiring. If you act like an adult then I will treat you like one but until then no.

 

Do you think you are getting a bit of track from your original question. Did not like the answer I presume.

 

So if your not given by the Father and you have no other way of getting to the Son and if you don't get to the Son you are doomed to hell then it must be that your doomed to hell because God did not give you to the Son.

According to calvinism God has to make you believe in His Son. The bible tells us that if we don't believe in the Son we are condemned. So logically, in calvinism, since God does not make most people believe then He is the one responsible for them being condemned.

 

It also says inverse Joh 6:45
It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

 

I always find amazing that no one but a calvinist can understand or interpret scripture. Now if that were true then why did God not just make everyone calvinists. I mean if scripture is true and He wants all to be saved, would that not be the case.

Now we know that scripture is true, God does want all to be saved
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But calvinists will tell you that God really only wanted to save a select group, them. So perhaps calvinists really are not that good at understanding scripture after all.

 

LOL Austin can you actually read?

Eternally Grateful said
"Your right, we do not get to chose who God saves. But he does ge to chose who he saved, And he chose to save those who believe."

Break it down and you get:
1] we do not get to chose who God saves
2] But he does ge to chose who he saved
3] he chose to save those who believe

That is simple English, do you have a comprehension problem?

 

Where did you get that from?

 

And you claim your is and yet it flying the face of what the bible tells us about God.

 

So why do you do it all the time. You deny clear scripture.

 

Well the alternative is to be no more than a puppet like you want us to think people are.

 

Ya the other thing is call a free will, some just do not want to believe. Shocking isn't it.

 

God allows man the free will to believe and He knows who is going to believe and even those that will not accept Christ Jesus. Why does that shock you?
Joh 3:16 ...whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is not rocket science here, just read the bible
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

They have to believe in Him before they will come to Christ Jesus. That is the determining factor.

 

Notice they were chosen "IN HIM" why do you guys always leave Him out of there. God knows all that will be in Christ Jesus because they believe. No surprise there, He is omniscient.
We have already shown you that those that hear and learn from God are those that come to the Son.