What Is Free Will?

[Silverhair]

I am basing my position on the Bible, not what some pastor told me. See how that works?

Jesus did not say he was sent to die for every individual. Show me one verse that states that. You will not find one. It says he came to save whoever believes. John 3 doesn't say who he died for specifically.

No, he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved.

"he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved."

That only applies in your calvinist theology, not the bible.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Did you ever see a Calvinist complain about me always posting anti-Calvinist posts. But no mention is made of the endless pro-Calvinist posts placed on the board.

1) Did the OP define free will? Nope.

2) Can a person choose to ignore a desire (say fleshly desire) and place his or her mind upon some spiritual things? What does scripture say?

3) Are fallen humans predisposed to sin? What does the bible say.

4) Can a human person ignore his or her predisposition and choose to follow his or her understanding of God's will? What does the bible say?

Still salty over me calling you out for posting an anti-Calvinist remark in an irrelevant thread? At least be honest about the situation since you frequently accuse other of being "fallacious."

 

[Reformed1689]

"he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved."

That only applies in your calvinist theology, not the bible.

If Christ paid for this sins of all, and all are not saved, then God is not just and Christ is not powerful enough to save.

 

[Reformed1689]

Notice they were chosen "IN HIM" why do you guys always leave Him out of there. God knows all that will be in Christ Jesus because they believe. No surprise there, He is omniscient.
We have already shown you that those that hear and learn from God are those that come to the Son.

No, those GIVEN by the Father, are the ones that come.

 

[Reformed1689]

God allows man the free will to believe and He knows who is going to believe and even those that will not accept Christ Jesus. Why does that shock you?
Joh 3:16 ...whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is not rocket science here, just read the bible
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

They have to believe in Him before they will come to Christ Jesus. That is the determining factor.

Where do you see in Scripture where it teaches that God selects based on knowing who believes? That's not anywhere in Scripture.

 

[Reformed1689]

Ya the other thing is call a free will, some just do not want to believe. Shocking isn't it.

Except nobody seeks God. That's the problem you keep ignoring.

 

[Reformed1689]

So why do you do it all the time. You deny clear scripture.

Nope

 

[Reformed1689]

And you claim your is and yet it flying the face of what the bible tells us about God.

What, might I ask, is flying in the face of what the Bible tells us about God? The view being parroted about God being All-Loving and ignoring also his holiness, justice, wrath, etc. His other attributes don't just stop because he is love.

 

[Reformed1689]

Where did you get that from?

Read this thread, I've posted plenty of Scripture.

 

[Reformed1689]

I always find amazing that no one but a calvinist can understand or interpret scripture. Now if that were true then why did God not just make everyone calvinists. I mean if scripture is true and He wants all to be saved, would that not be the case.

Now we know that scripture is true, God does want all to be saved
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But calvinists will tell you that God really only wanted to save a select group, them. So perhaps calvinists really are not that good at understanding scripture after all.

And here we have a strawman saying nobody but a Calvinist can interpret Scripture. Never claimed that. If he wanted all to be saved, all would be saved. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that. So, either the Bible is wrong, or your interpretation is wrong. Which do you think it is?

 

[Reformed1689]

So if your not given by the Father and you have no other way of getting to the Son and if you don't get to the Son you are doomed to hell then it must be that your doomed to hell because God did not give you to the Son.

According to calvinism God has to make you believe in His Son. The bible tells us that if we don't believe in the Son we are condemned. So logically, in calvinism, since God does not make most people believe then He is the one responsible for them being condemned.

Yes, if you are not chosen, you are doomed to hell because of your sin. Correct. That is EXACTLY what Scripture states. God is not responsible for their sin. They are condemned because of their sin. He did not choose to save them.

 

[Reformed1689]

So the fact that you do not deal with posts you do not like tells us what?

Such a dishonest post. I've dealt with your nonsense.

 

[Reformed1689]

Does your bible not include verse Joh 6:45?

Verse 45 doesn't change anything.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Does your bible not include verse Joh 6:45?

I don't think John 6:45 is the verse you want to cite to prove your point.

 

[Reformed1689]

I don't think John 6:45 is the verse you want to cite to prove your point.

Exactly, and the fact that they think it is a verse to use again just shows they cannot (or will not) read in context.

 

[Silverhair]

If Christ paid for this sins of all, and all are not saved, then God is not just and Christ is not powerful enough to save.

There is your theology again.

 

[Reformed1689]

There is your theology again.

So do you believe Christ TOOK OUR PLACE on the cross? Paid our debt for us? If so, no, that is not my theology agian.

 

[Silverhair]

No, those GIVEN by the Father, are the ones that come.

The ones the hear and learn. Remember context.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No you don't need to do my work for me but clearly you need to do some work. Matthew 12:31 is not saying all sin will be forgiven. It is saying that the one sin that will never be forgiven is blasphemy against the Spirit. That being said, if there is any sin that will not be forgiven, then all sin is not forgiven so you have a problem with your position there.

As far as the judgement. Only believers will not be judged on their sin because it was already forgiven. Sin are works, you realize that right?

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

we must read different bibles

Your right, A believer will not be judged according to their sin. But a non believer must be judged for their works. Did they earn salvation.

they will be found wanting..

again, it does not say they will be judged for their sin. See matt 12. ALL/EVERY SIN WILL BE FORGIVEN MEN

 

[Silverhair]

Where do you see in Scripture where it teaches that God selects based on knowing who believes? That's not anywhere in Scripture.

That's called foreknowledge. You mean to tell me that your version of God does not have that.