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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Mar 22, 2022.

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  1. Eternally Grateful

    Eternally Grateful Active Member

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    You can not remember when Jesu said all sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men?

    You do not know where the Bible says at the great white throne they will be judged for their works, not sin?

    Come one man, do I need to do your work fo you?
     
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    you and i have had this discussion. John 17 Jesus prays for those given to Him. It is clear He was talking about the disciples. Later in John 17 He prays for everyone who believes as a result of their witness. That means you and I
     
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    Yes. And Jesus used both in relation to Judas.

    Simile: "Behold, I am sending you [the twelve] out as sheep in the midst of wolves." (Mt. 10:16)

    Metaphor: "And Jesus said to them [the twelve], 'You will all fall away, for it is written, 'I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered.'" (Mk 14:27)


    Again, the sheep represent the saved and Calvinism can only be true if Judas, once explicitly called a SHEEP by Jesus, is now in heaven looking down and smiling on you.
     
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    And John 17 and John 6 are NOT the same context.
     
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    says you. Jesus prayed for those given to Him. Same thing He talked about in John 6
     
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    No you don't need to do my work for me but clearly you need to do some work. Matthew 12:31 is not saying all sin will be forgiven. It is saying that the one sin that will never be forgiven is blasphemy against the Spirit. That being said, if there is any sin that will not be forgiven, then all sin is not forgiven so you have a problem with your position there.

    As far as the judgement. Only believers will not be judged on their sin because it was already forgiven. Sin are works, you realize that right?
     
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    I've been discussing, but your arguments are ridiculous and not grounded in Scripture.
     
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    Just because it is the same word doesn't mean it has the same meaning. You have to look at CONTEXT. John 6 and John 17 are not the same context to argue such is ridiculous. They were years apart.
     
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    I have not always been a calvinist. You shouldn't make assumptions, you know what they say about assuming? What strawman have I put forth against you? Please show me and clarify where I was wrong.

    I told you what I was taught. And I am telling you what I was taught was WRONG and not found in Scripture. John 3 does not state Christ died for every individual. You read that into the text.

    Jesus died for the whoever will believe. Not the rest. It doesn't say he died for the rest. In fact, John 3 does not even discuss who he died for. It just says he came so that whoever believes will live.

    Jesus said he died for the sheep, not all people.
     
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    Ok well you are making a claim but can you break down the context of John 6? What sets up the context that makes it about salvation?
     
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    You are kidding right?

    35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
    The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Jn 6:35–40.
     
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    8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. So, if you seek me, let these men go.” vThis was to fulfill the word that he had spoken: “Of those whom you gave me I have lost not one.” John 18:8-9
     
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    Again, CONTEXT
     
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    which is the same
     
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    As Jn 17, not Jn 6
     
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    You mean Mark 14:17, ". . . And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. . . ."
    Mark 14:26 is a parallel passage with John 18:1. Judas was there from Luke 22:19-22 until John 13:30. So by John 18:1, Mark 14:26, Judas had gone from the others, per John 13:26-30.
     
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    "To to claim you will be “like God, knowing good and evil” means that, like God, they would always be able to chose the good instead of the evil."

    Now there is a classic example of the calvinist adding to /reading into scripture.
    Gen 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

    Where does that say "they would always be able to chose the good instead of the evil." You must have a different text in your bible. Perhaps that explains why some calvinists make so many mistakes with regard to the bible.
     
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    Now that's a real bright statement. The fact that you would post it makes me wonder.
     
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    How free were you in regard to your salvation?
    If you say you had no choice then you can not even know if you are really saved, you just have to hope you are. That sounds a lot like the Mormons who will tell you that they know Mornonism is true because they had a burning in the chest.
     
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    Now you are limiting what the bible says. That is stepping over the line.
     
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