Featured Free Will and Loss of Salvation

The fallen angels once had eternal life, unless you believe they were created with an expiry date.

After the rapture of the church, salvation once again becomes a mix of faith and works, as it had been under the law of Moses.

 

Where do we see "God offered me the ability to repent" while we were still sinners?

Have you ever asked yourself why your flesh was broken and it responded to God? Do you not realize that God could have justly left you in your despair as you went to hell?

"But God...by grace you have been saved." (Ephesians 2:1-10)

Peter lays it out for us:

1 Peter 1:2-4
God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. May God give you more and more grace and peace. All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by his great mercy that we have been born again, because God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Now we live with great expectation, and we have a priceless inheritance—an inheritance that is kept in heaven for you, pure and undefiled, beyond the reach of change and decay.

 

NO! Salvation has never been, nor will ever be by works. It has always been by grace alone. How did you ever get that messed up theology, George? It certainly doesn't come from the Bible. You have had to have read commentaries to come up with that convoluted thought.

 

Wow, talk about coming up with one's own tailor-made Bible "translation".

Let's compare that to the actual words of God:

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Which is the mirror verse of:

2Th_2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Accordingly, the ordo salutis is:
1) belief of the truth
2) sanctification of the Spirit
3) chosen to salvation (in context of 2Th.2:13 that's salvation from the tribulation, not hell).

No wonder you had to ditch the God-honoured Reformation text of the King James Bible.
I'd go back to Calvinism too if I had your translation.

 

I believed as you did as long as I was getting my theology from commentaries rather than from the Bible.

 

No, you didn't believe as the Bible teaches.
Salvation has never been, nor will ever be by works. It has always been by grace alone.
From Adam onward, God saved by grace alone and justified by faith alone. The writers in the New Testament work hard to express this truth. Read Ephesians to see salvation by grace alone. Read Romans to see justification by faith alone. Read Hebrews to see God's Covenants establishing salvation by grace and justification by faith. Note the tie in in Hebrews 11 and Hebrews 12.

 

again,

Like adam, they were once without sin. They were never promised eternal life. they just had life.

Salvation has NEVER been a mix of faith plus works. where does this idea come from?

 

lets see. John 3. John 4. John 5. John 6.

I can go on and on and on.

Where do you see people can be made alive while stull under the penalty of sin?

How can justification - the means for the ability to be born again, come after the result?

 

No.

Me choosing him would be me demanding he must saved me, Ir trying to be saved by works. or whatever means which is of the flesh

Me calling out to God in desperation because I have come to the end of myself is not me choosing him, It is me begging for his mercy.

I guess you figure God just gave it to you.. you did not have to become poor in spirit.. Well Jesus would disagree with you

 

a slave is a slave is a slave

its no different.

Open your mind my friend..

 

were any ever saved apart from grace alone, received thru faith alone?

 

NONE were ever saved under the OC by a mixture of grace and good works!