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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Apr 18, 2022.

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  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    No! 'The last hour' and 'the end' of the old covenant is long gone.
     
    #41 kyredneck, Apr 20, 2022
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    And OT, to point us to Christ.

    peace to you
     
    #42 canadyjd, Apr 20, 2022
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    Just to be clear, I understand there are biblical texts that apply to Jewish people.

    But the gospel of Jesus Christ is the same for both Jew and Gentile. There is not one gospel for Jews and another for Gentiles.

    peace to you
     
    #43 canadyjd, Apr 20, 2022
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  4. kyredneck

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    Just to be clear, the apostles themselves made a distinction between the message to the jews and the message to the Gentiles, and, I'm sure they didn't think of the gospel merely as 'a formula for immortality' as is prevalent today:

    7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision
    8 (for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles);
    9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision; Gal 2

    The audience of James and Cephas and John was of the old covenant of condemnation and death which was quickly coming to a violent end.

    The audience of Paul was of the everlasting covenant of joy, peace, and righteousness to which there will be no end.

    Care should be taken before adopting doctrine for the Church from the epistles of James and Cephas and John.
     
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  5. JesusFan

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    We are right now in the last days and last hour still!
     
    #45 JesusFan, Apr 21, 2022
  6. JesusFan

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    ALL NT Epistles were written to and for us though!
     
    #46 JesusFan, Apr 21, 2022
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    Agreed, as all 66 Books are inspired canon
     
    #47 JesusFan, Apr 21, 2022
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    No, just to be clear, they made a distinction between “who” was bringing the gospel: one to Jews and one to Gentiles.

    The gospel is the same.

    peace to you
     
    #48 canadyjd, Apr 21, 2022
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    peter and paul taught same gospel!
     
    #49 JesusFan, Apr 21, 2022
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    And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
    Gal 3:8

    Is the gospel God preached to Abraham the same gospel Jesus came into Galilee preaching in Mark 1:14?

    How is John 3:1-7 relative to both?
     
    #50 percho, Apr 21, 2022
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    That is indeed the best working approach, until God gives us more light, yes.
    The gospel in Hebrews is not the Pauline gospel.
    Hebrews teaches loss of salvation. Paul taught us eternal security.
    Dispensational division is indeed the best text-honouring approach.
     
    #51 George Antonios, Apr 21, 2022
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    Profitable and applicable are two very different things.
     
    #52 George Antonios, Apr 21, 2022
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    So are you saying that salvation was not and will not always be a free gift, irrevocable?

    Can you support this from scripture? I will believe what the scripture says.
     
    #53 Guido, Apr 21, 2022
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    No, Paul makes this clear in 2 Timothy 3:16-17
     
    #54 5 point Gillinist, Apr 22, 2022
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    In my experience, folks who use this line of thinking don't want to deal with Acts, Hebrews, and the General Epistles, not top mention Revelation.
     
    #55 Squire Robertsson, Apr 22, 2022
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    I want to know the truth written in the scriptures; I want to know sound doctrine. But confusion abounds among many who claim they are Christians, and I do not know the true way, except that salvation is a gift from God, received by faith in Jesus.
     
    #56 Guido, Apr 22, 2022
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    The 'last days' were referring to the end of the Jewish age, where the kingdom was taken from them and given to church to proclaim the gospel of Christ. Acts of the Apostles 2 was a fulfillment of Joel 2.
     
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    In my experience, folks who don't follow this line of thinking don't want to deal with the Pauline epistles.
     
    #58 George Antonios, Apr 22, 2022
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    No, refers to the time up until the Second Coming event!
     
    #59 JesusFan, Apr 22, 2022
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    They pretty much only see paul as applying to us now!
     
    #60 JesusFan, Apr 22, 2022
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