Is it true that only the Pauline Epistles apply to us?

[kyredneck]

So they do not apply to you then?

No! 'The last hour' and 'the end' of the old covenant is long gone.

 

[canadyjd]

ALL of the NT was inspired to us, not just selected books!

And OT, to point us to Christ.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

James:
8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Ja 5

Cephas:
7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore of sound mind, and be sober unto prayer: 1 Pet 4

John:
18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour. 1 Jn 2

...to name a few.

Just to be clear, I understand there are biblical texts that apply to Jewish people.

But the gospel of Jesus Christ is the same for both Jew and Gentile. There is not one gospel for Jews and another for Gentiles.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Just to be clear, I understand there are biblical texts that apply to Jewish people.

But the gospel of Jesus Christ is the same for both Jew and Gentile. There is not one gospel for Jews and another for Gentiles.

peace to you

Just to be clear, the apostles themselves made a distinction between the message to the jews and the message to the Gentiles, and, I'm sure they didn't think of the gospel merely as 'a formula for immortality' as is prevalent today:

7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision
8 (for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles);
9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision; Gal 2

The audience of James and Cephas and John was of the old covenant of condemnation and death which was quickly coming to a violent end.

The audience of Paul was of the everlasting covenant of joy, peace, and righteousness to which there will be no end.

Care should be taken before adopting doctrine for the Church from the epistles of James and Cephas and John.

 

[JesusFan]

No! 'The last hour' and 'the end' of the old covenant is long gone.

We are right now in the last days and last hour still!

 

[JesusFan]

Just to be clear, the apostles themselves made a distinction between the message to the jews and the message to the Gentiles, and, I'm sure they didn't think of the gospel as 'a formula for immortality' as is prevalent today:

7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision
8 (for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles);
9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision; Gal 2

The audience of James and Cephas and John was of the old covenant of condemnation and death which was quickly coming to a violent end.

The audience of Paul was of the everlasting covenant of joy, peace, and righteousness to which there will be no end.

Care should be taken before adopting doctrine for the Church from the epistles of James and Cephas and John.

ALL NT Epistles were written to and for us though!

 

[JesusFan]

And OT, to point us to Christ.

peace to you

Agreed, as all 66 Books are inspired canon

 

[canadyjd]

Just to be clear, the apostles themselves made a distinction between the message to the jews and the message to the Gentiles, and, I'm sure they didn't think of the gospel merely as 'a formula for immortality' as is prevalent today:

7 but contrariwise, when they saw that I had been intrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision
8 (for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles);
9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision; Gal 2

The audience of James and Cephas and John was of the old covenant of condemnation and death which was quickly coming to a violent end.

The audience of Paul was of the everlasting covenant of joy, peace, and righteousness to which there will be no end.

Care should be taken before adopting doctrine for the Church from the epistles of James and Cephas and John.

No, just to be clear, they made a distinction between “who” was bringing the gospel: one to Jews and one to Gentiles.

The gospel is the same.

peace to you

 

[JesusFan]

No, just to be clear, they made a distinction between “who” was bringing the gospel: one to Jews and one to Gentiles.

The gospel is the same.

peace to you

peter and paul taught same gospel!

 

[percho]

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
Gal 3:8

Is the gospel God preached to Abraham the same gospel Jesus came into Galilee preaching in Mark 1:14?

How is John 3:1-7 relative to both?

 

[George Antonios]

I have watched the sermons of many pastors, hoping that one could make plain the warnings contained in the Book of Hebrews, but seeing that all discussions of the book are not consistent within, I settled on the one that says it's written for the saints in the tribulation.

That is indeed the best working approach, until God gives us more light, yes.
The gospel in Hebrews is not the Pauline gospel.
Hebrews teaches loss of salvation. Paul taught us eternal security.
Dispensational division is indeed the best text-honouring approach.

 

[George Antonios]

No, the entire Bible is profitable for us. It has all been written for us:


1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

2 Timothy 3
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Profitable and applicable are two very different things.

 

[Guido]

Profitable and applicable are two very different things.

So are you saying that salvation was not and will not always be a free gift, irrevocable?

Can you support this from scripture? I will believe what the scripture says.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I have watched the sermons of many pastors, hoping that one could make plain the warnings contained in the Book of Hebrews, but seeing that all discussions of the book are not consistent within, I settled on the one that says it's written for the saints in the tribulation.

No, Paul makes this clear in 2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

[Squire Robertsson]

In my experience, folks who use this line of thinking don't want to deal with Acts, Hebrews, and the General Epistles, not top mention Revelation.

 

[Guido]

I want to know the truth written in the scriptures; I want to know sound doctrine. But confusion abounds among many who claim they are Christians, and I do not know the true way, except that salvation is a gift from God, received by faith in Jesus.

 

[SovereignGrace]

We are right now in the last days and last hour still!

The 'last days' were referring to the end of the Jewish age, where the kingdom was taken from them and given to church to proclaim the gospel of Christ. Acts of the Apostles 2 was a fulfillment of Joel 2.

 

[George Antonios]

In my experience, folks who use this line of thinking don't want to deal with Acts, Hebrews, and the General Epistles, not top mention Revelation.

In my experience, folks who don't follow this line of thinking don't want to deal with the Pauline epistles.

 

[JesusFan]

The 'last days' were referring to the end of the Jewish age, where the kingdom was taken from them and given to church to proclaim the gospel of Christ. Acts of the Apostles 2 was a fulfillment of Joel 2.

No, refers to the time up until the Second Coming event!

 

[JesusFan]

In my experience, folks who use this line of thinking don't want to deal with Acts, Hebrews, and the General Epistles, not top mention Revelation.

They pretty much only see paul as applying to us now!