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Dave, you are ignoring quite a bit of instruction we have been given. Let's start here:


2 Timothy 2:24-26 King James Version

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Your position is leaving men to die.

And babies.

In view is the Christian striving to instruct those ensnared by the devil. Thank goodness you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, else I might be found guilty of striving.

Your comrade in arms would have to disagree with you based on his particular reasoning: he doesn't think the principles of the Old Testament are relevant to Christians.

I see quite a few points I raised going unaddressed, so I will break this up to make it easier for me to repost when these new ones aren't addressed. Please start with the point above, and show why the Scripture is not commanding us that we are to instruct those who have been ensnared by the devil. Those who condone and perpetuate the murder of infants being up there on that list.


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Meantime, back at the well ...


1 Timothy 1:18-20 King James Version

18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.


First, we are at war. That means we don't "let go and let God."

One of chief adversaries we will face in this war is going to be those who creep into the church, posing as believers, and teaching false doctrine that leads men away from the truth and into false doctrine and practice that actually is of the world.

Abortion on demand is one of the fables Satan has deceived many with: that the unborn is not a person and therefore they have no rights, nor should any defend them.


1 Timothy 2 King James Version

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Well gosh, it seems that who is in power is to be a concern for Christians after all.

Imagine that.

And why? Well, Paul seems to be a selfish fellow, thinking Christians should have a quiet and peaceable life.

I would suggest to you that God is well-pleased with those who intercede on behalf of the unborn by giving attention to kings and those who are in power.

And salvation is a primary reason for instructing those who oppose themselves, because we know that no murderer has a place in the Kingdom of God.


1 Timothy 4 King James Version

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


11 These things command and teach.


Note the word "specially." I have provided a link to make it clear that we labor and suffer reproach because we trust in God, who is especially the God of those that are already believing.

What that means is that we do not labor simply for the believing, as you and the OP suggest. I don't know about you but evangelism is a key element in my attempts to instruct those who have fallen into the snare of the devil, and I strongly suggest that those who advocate for murder are desperately ensnared.

So note "specially," this demands that we instruct unbelievers, which is, as most Christians know, our primary goal in and for the world that you guys are teaching we should avoid.


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You ignored my point concerning those women who are persuaded by Pro-Life advocacy not to have abortions.

Does the life of an unborn child mean so little to you?

You really do not think that even one life spared is a victory?

Therefore, this question will stand alone, because I would really like to hear your Christian view as to why you don't think saving the lives of unborn babies matters at all.


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But from where I'm standing, it is you and the OP that are advocating for a "stand in front of the truck (God will take care of it)" attitude.

And since when is tribulation for preaching the Gospel a new thing?

And that is what we are doing in regard to the world. We address the antichrist mentality of people who are leading men away from the Lord. The Democratic Party has become the Democratic Mafia, they are a criminal organization, and because of their doctrine and practice, we are not leading quiet and peaceable lives.

Have you not noticed that every time the Democratic Mafia is in power the death toll rises? Terrorist activities increase?

King Barack O'Biden made it a promise to strengthen Abortion as a promise to his followers.

And we are supposed to think we sit by and not say a word?

Absolutely incredible.

As a matter of fact they are very interested in what we have to say.

Why do you think they are trying to create a governmental "disinformation office?"

Why do you think Christian values become taboo on social media sites?

Honestly, Dave, I seriously have a hard time believing that you haven't taken notice of these issues. And I find it hard to believe, seeing that you come to a Christian Forum for the very purpose of instructing men, that you would have a problem with Christians standing against the evils of the world.

What difference does that make for the believer that should be about the Lord's business, which is seek to see lost men and women saved?

How much more when it is a matter of the physical lives of people?

Can we love our neighbor and sit by idly while they kill themselves and others?

Where exactly did the "Hall of Faith" in Hebrews 11 gain a good report? Heads in the sand? Or in the world?


1 Peter 5:8-9 King James Version

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.


Where did Paul suffer affliction? Head in the sand, or in the world, going toe to toe with the devil and those he has ensnared?

Well, we are in the world, and our business is warfare. Not with flesh and blood, but with spiritual wickedness. We can't sit idly by while the world goes to Hell in a handbasket:


John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.


1 Corinthians 5:9-10 King James Version

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.


We are in the world, and Paul is here teaching that we are not to retreat from the world, which is what you and the OP suggest Christians should do.

While I can understand that mentality, I do not see it as the end result of a New Testament filled with instruction for the Church to seek to make a difference in this world. To be light.

Your view is in my view hiding your light under a basket.


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Stick to the OP. If you want to discuss off-topic issues please PM.

I'll deal with your nonsense when I am finished with addressing Dave's posts.

Please stick around.


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Actually, they are.

We can train up our children in the way of the Lord and when they are out in the world they can make a difference in the lives of those they come in contact with.

We can preach the Gospel and see men saved that they turn away from life-taking practices.

We can speak openly against the murder of unborn children and thereby instruct evil men concerning the sanctity of all life.

And we can take an active role in choosing those who are kings and in power. You might say we should just pray for them, but if you have been given the opportunity to make a difference about who is in power and you refuse to exercise that opportunity...

...it is just going to seem like burying talents to most Christians.

And I would point out, Dave, that I do not view the professing population of America to actually be Christians. They identify as Christians, but their fruit gives evidence otherwise. However, those are people that vote. Our voice concerning Abortion has an opportunity to impact those people for Christ.

Those who call themselves Christians yet advocate murder on demand need to hear from those who have a Biblical Perspective on the matter.

We very much have a role in whether men live or die. God has always used His people to keep men alive. First and foremost through the preaching of His will, and if we refuse to preach His will to people we are ourselves as guilty as those who have fallen into the snare of the Devil.


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And as we see it, by being concerned for the world we are obeying the Lord.

Who exactly do you think the Gospel is supposed to be preached to, Dave?


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And what exactly is on your plate, Dave?

What are you doing to be obedient to the Lord?

I'm not trying to be a wise-guy, and this is not sarcasm, it is a sincere question. If you can tell me exactly how you are making an impact in the war that we are fighting then it will better inform myself and others what it is you think we should be doing.


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As I said, stick around, I'll deal with you shortly.

I will deal with your doctrine and practice, you can believe that.

That is the point of Christian Doctrinal Discussion and Debate. If you want to try to flex censorious power, feel free. It just shows what kind of mindset you have. It falls more in line with a Liberal mindset that seeks to shut down opposition to what they seek to teach men.


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And he uses men in the preaching of the Gospel. We preach the Gospel and compare that to the doctrine and practice of kings and those in power.

The Republican Party has for years ran campaigns with a focus on a pro-life agenda, and that is our agenda.

Not to support it and to stand aside while murderers rule the land is unthinkable.

That is the primary reason I vote. Not because I think those going into office are Christians, but because my vote cancels out a vote for death.

This issue has caused a man like Donald Trump to profess he is a Christian. Seems to me that he thinks the Christian Voice matters. Whether he is or not, I don't know. He has a terrible track record. But he was publicly professing Christ. That's change in regard to kings and those in power and it came about because Christians made their beliefs known publicly through preaching and voting.

So to say voting has no impact simply isn't born out by the facts.


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Gosh, got me with that. Guess I should just stop following the Lord's command and be obedient to men. Read the Scripture that has been presented to Dave. Address that.

Address the post, not the poster.


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Separate in doctrine and practice, not separated from them that we cannot minister to them, Dave.


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Voicing our views as Christians is not exactly being yoked to the world, Dave.

And as I mentioned before, that our voice goes alongside the voice of falsely professing Christians (even if that is the candidate, lol) and atheists, we don't stop voicing our doctrine and practice to the world because of that.

Do we stop preaching and teaching the Trinity because Catholics do so also?

Do we stop preaching and teaching marriage is between a man and a woman because atheists do so also?

Do we stop preaching and teaching life is sacred because the treehuggers do also?

Absolutely not.


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