Featured Born Dead

Then why do you teach justification and election as man's work of faith, only after God fully evaluates them?
Van, you are so very confused in your theology with many contradictions oozing from your being. Yet, you cannot see the contradictions. Instead, you keep doubling down without understanding what you are doing.
If I were the only one pointing this out, you might have a point, but you are being shown your error by multiple posters, yet you fight against us all. Check yourself, Van.

 

This is about the best example of Falselogy [sic] that anyone could ask for. What does John 5:25 actually say?
John 5:25. "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, that the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live." So where does it say that the dead will hear the Gospel? It doesn't.. Van has made it up.

Not until and unless they hear the voice of the Son of God, saying, "Lazarus! Come forth!"

'Lord, I was blind! I could not see
In Thy marred visage any grace;
But now the beauty of Thy face
In radiant vision dawns on me.

Lord, I was deaf! I could not hear
The thrilling music of Thy voice;
But now I hear Thee and rejoice,
And all Thine uttered words are dear.

Lord, I was dumb! I could not speak
The grace and glory of Thy Name;
But now, as touched by living flame,
My lips Thine eager praises wake.

Lord, I was dead! I could not stir
My lifeless soul to come to Thee;
But now, since Thou hast quickened me,
I rise from death's dark sepulchre.

Lord, Thou jhast made the blind to see;
The deaf to hear, the dumb to speak;
The dead to live; and lo! I break
The chains of my captivity.'
William Tidd Matson, 1833-99.[/QUOTE]

 

Faith must have an Object.

For Salvation that Object is Jesus Christ.

Everyone who has been Saved has been Given Faith in The Work and Person of Jesus Christ.

 

You state that election comes after God has reviewed man's faith and then decides whether the man's faith is worthy of declaring him justified. (I summarize as you ramble a lot.)

 

My post was in response to you playing fast and loose with the word of God. You have a strange reluctance to commenting on what's actually written, but prefer to make use of your own 'interpretative translations' which are often products of your own imagination.

Tell me @Van, how much Gospel is there in "Lazarus, come forth!" (John 11:43). What effect did it have? You and I can spend all day at someone's grave, crying out, "Come forth!" But it will have no effect. But if the Lord Jesus Christ were to bid him rise, up he would get.

Mark 1:15. There is the Gospel foor you. To whom was our Lord speaking? To anyone within earshot. It was a general call. Maybe no one came; we don't know. But Come to Luke 5:27-28. 'After this Jesus went out and saw a tax-collector by the name of Levi, sitting by his tax booth. "Follow Me," Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed Him.' Here is the particular call, and Levi responds immediately. The particular call is always successful. Why? Because 'salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne and to the Lamb' (Revelation 7:10).

A man may preach the Gospel faithfully to hundreds, and see no one come to Christ.. It is only when the Lord Jesus Christ puts for His power that a sinner, dead in trespasses and sin, will be brought to new life and come to Him for salvation . Have a read of Luke 5:1-11.

 

What actual Bible doctrine do you imagine you have stated?

Is it the unbiblical doctrine that God elect's people only after he has evaluated the worthiness of their personal faith to see if it meets the minimum standards by which he can justify them?

Scripture is crystal clear.
1) We were dead in our trespasses and sins.
2) But God, even while we were dead, made us alive with Christ.
3) By God's grace we have been saved.
4) This gracious salvation is established by a faith that is not of ourselves, but is a gift of God so no one can boast.
5) This act of God seated us in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus.
6) This act of God was done so we might fulfill the good works that God ordained for us to do.

*Ephesians 2:1-10*

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

You know perfectly well that you misquoted John 5:25. Whether you did so deliberately in an effort to mislead others or whether it was ignorance, I cannot say, but it doesn't take too much effort to copy and paste the thing from a proper translation.. I have taken the trouble to explain the verse to you, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Dis anyone say that anyone said that salvation does not belong to God? Nope, so yet more implied disinformation.

 

I quoted it on post #64. Grow up!

 

@Van wrote:
"Our faith existed before we were chosen individually because we were chosen through or by way of our faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13."

*2 Thessalonians 2:11-15*

Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the first fruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

Where do we see "by way of our faith in the truth?" This seems like you're using the Vanology translation of the Bible.

Van, your misinterpretation of the text is obvious.

 

@Van wrote:
"After undergoing the washing of regeneration within Christ's spiritual body, we were then seated in heaven."

Scripture says:

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
~ *Ephesians 2:4-7*

Do you see the difference between the text and your Vanology?

 

Why do you persist in this nonsense? This is from your post #62

And this is my reply from post #64.

And you did make it up. You claimed that John 5:25 said something that it doesn't say.