Featured Conditional election.

Huh ? I dont understand a word of this. What point does it make ?

 

I am fully aware of what your DoG states, are you? When you take your DoG to there logical end they is not much grace in them.

Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God.

As I have said a number of times your man-made theology is not supported by the bible.

 

Why do you deny scripture. The bible is clear that man has a free will and yet you deny this because it does not fit with your DoG.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

Martin for a person that says you know the bible you seem to miss quite a bit of it.

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
2Th 2:14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Context Martin context.
Notice that they are called to believe the truth, they were elect, in time not before. Just as we are told in Ephesians 1:13-14 and again in Romans 10:9-10. How do you keep missing this as it is clear in scripture.

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

Again Martin context. Who are the "us " of vs 4? We just have to look back to vs 1, they are the saints & faithful ones. They have trusted in Christ Jesus for their salvation. You keep looking for verses that you think support your view and end up missing the truth of the bible.

As you said, I hope that helps, but I don't expect it will.

 

Agreed. Paul knew they were saved for the reasons I gave above. What does that have to do with the timing of election?

 

If you are unable to reply to a post without a sneer, I don't think I want to discuss with you. Let's try to treat each other like brothers in Christ.

 

No kidding, but that does not negate the fact that God's election and choice of us is from before the foundation of the world.
In Isaiah we see God naming Cyrus, far before Cyrus was born, as the one who would allow Judah back to the land.
Another prophet tells us that the Promised One would be named Yeshua. Just because we experience our election in time does not mean our election was not set before the foundation of the world.

 

Does that bother you? Does it bother you that the confirmation of our election is the perseverance that God accomplishes in us through the faith he gives us?

 

Martin that was not a sneer just an observation. Were you not the one that said you taught the bible? My observation is that you seem to miss much of what it says as you are looking at it through calvinism. But I do note that you do not respond to the verses I posted you just avoid them.

 

Austin just continues to read into the text what he needs to find in the hope it will support his calvinist view. The bible does not support it but that does not seem to matter to Austin.

 

Your post answered absolutely nothing. I take it that you have no tangible support for your opinion and have created it purely because you cannot tolerate God being the sole determiner of eternal life.