The Music Debate Today

I have presented my views at great lengths in previous threads in this "Music Ministry" section. You are welcome to go through them. I do not remember now whether you engaged with me in those threads or not. In any case, I am not inclined to rehash all that material here.

 

Swaggart was before my time as a believer, and I have had almost no contact with his views and positions so I cannot engage knowledgeably with you concerning your likening me to him.

 

There is nothing in the song that identifies Mary, nor what garden. Look at the lyrics, Jon. That's what everyone looks at. You can't find Jesus and his supremacy in the song. What you find is how good you feel.

 

So you got nothing then. I'm not going to go looking, this is the thread we are talking about, my question was on the topic, you refuse to answer. Noted.

 

If they are not here, then they don't count on this thread. From now on, my answer to everything can be that "I have already explained that in another thread. You go find it "

 

I am still waiting for that quote from Amy Grant. Perhaps gossipping is the modus operandi with this thread...

 

Here is my first thread in the "Music Ministry" section of BB: Does Scripture Teach That God Created All Music?

You made comment #15 in that thread: "I really do not believe that any music, absent lyrics, is evil in and of itsself.
Did God create all music? I would say no for the same reason I would say He did not createc jet planes, or cruise ships."

I responded in comment #19: "Do you have any Scripture to support your belief that music without lyrics cannot be evil in and of itself?"

You provided no response to my comment. Given that you did not provide any scriptural support for your position in that thread, we do not have anything new to discuss in this thread unless you are prepared to support that statement now from Scripture.

 

Aside from your narrow minded theological pharasaism, I like this song.

 

I guess to each their own. It is an easy song to whistle if that means anything.
If one enjoys sermons that sound nice but don't say anything, then this song would fit perfectly.

 

Fifty years ago (1972), the majority of IFB churches did not use CCM or CWM in their worship. I wonder what the percentages are today.

So as not to hijack this thread, I am going to start a separate poll on this question.

 

The blessing of music:

The Unifying Power of Singing

 

50 yrs ago the CCM was almost unknown

 

From the Wikipedia article on CCM:

"Evangelical and Protestant Christianity formed a born again style of Christian music. Those involved were affected by the late 1960s to early 1970s Jesus movement, and colloquially self-referred to as "Jesus Freaks", as the counterculture movement of hippies, flower children, and flower power swept the nation. The Calvary Chapel was one such movement, which launched Maranatha Music in 1971. They soon began to express themselves in alternative styles of popular music and worship music.

Larry Norman is often remembered as the "father of Christian rock", because of his early contributions (before the Jesus movement) to the developing new genre that mixed rock rhythms with the Christian messages.[10] Though his style was not initially well received by many in the Christian community of the time, he continued throughout his career to create controversial hard-rock songs such as "Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music?".[10] He is remembered as the artist "who first combined rock 'n' roll with Christian lyrics" in the Gospel Music Hall of Fame.[10] Though there were Christian albums in the 1960s that contained contemporary-sounding songs, there were two albums recorded in 1969 that are considered[by whom?] to be the first complete albums of "Jesus rock": Upon This Rock (1969) by Larry Norman initially released on Capitol Records,[11] and Mylon – We Believe by Mylon LeFevre, released by Cotillion, which was LeFevre's attempt at blending gospel music with southern rock.[12][13] Unlike traditional or southern gospel music, this new Jesus music was birthed out of rock and folk music.[14]

Pioneers of this movement also included Andraé Crouch and the Disciples, 2nd Chapter of Acts, Barry McGuire, Evie, Paul Clark, the Imperials and Keith Green among others. The small Jesus music culture had expanded into a multimillion-dollar industry by the 1980s.[8][15][16] Many CCM artists such as Benny Hester,[17][18] Amy Grant,[19] DC Talk,[20] Michael W. Smith,[21] Stryper,[22] and Jars of Clay[23] found crossover success with Top 40 mainstream radio play.

The genre emerged and became prevalent in the 1970s and 1980s.[24] Beginning in July 1978, CCM Magazine began covering "contemporary Christian music" artists and a wide range of spiritual themes until it launched online publications in 2009.[25][26]"​

 

So yeah, pretty much unknown until a little later

 

Oh man I forgot about Stryper lol

 

I have started going back through all the pages that list the threads in this Music Ministry section (starting with page 64) where people have discussed their differing views about music in church. I have made it through page 59 and found it interesting reading. Reading through these threads reveals that much of the discussion that might be had today between people with differing music positions has already occurred between other such people in earlier threads from many years ago. Reading back through these older threads has proven valuable because it shows me what others have already said and how others have responded to what they have said.

This thread was particularly interesting: Instrumental Worship - is it Biblical?

 

I just finished reading through all 14 pages and 275 posts in the following thread: Confessions of a Former Worship Leader | Baptist Christian Forums (baptistboard.com)

It was very interesting reading and gives me a lot more understanding where one person has been coming from in his opposition to my positions in my music threads on BB.

I will probably have to read the thread through again to process it all and profit more fully from it.