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One or both views are irrational.
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Alan Gross
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The issue with Calvinism and Arminianism that makes it 'a debate', is The sin of Adam being Imputed to all his Posterity, rendering them, "dead (Spiritually, with no Divine component or ability, at all) in trespasses and sins."
Either an individual can be lead to that understanding, by The New Birth, that they were Totally Depraved and Lost, or not.
Did God,Write, "dead", or not, is the basic issue.
Once a Spiritual believer has been Saved and Able to be Taught just how lost God Says they were, they can begin to see what God Says about the other Elements of The Doctrines of Grace.
Thousands upon thousands of Words are written about God's Eternal Covenant of Grace, for The Salvation of souls, in The Bible.
Lost souls need not bother bringing their guns to town.
God's Revelation to Mankind is Spiritually Decerned.
Without being Born Again, by the Spirit, they can not see The Kingdom of God.
37818
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Alan Gross
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Well... they are more Biblical and rational than your position so at least they have that going for them. Indeed, you cannot even explain your view other than telling us that God's choosing and election are not one and the same thing.
37, you come off arrogant to claim both Arminian and Calvinist theology are irrational when the men who explained these views had forgotten more about the Bible than you have ever learned. Perhaps you tell us about both views and clearly explain their irrational thought to us since you feel you are so superior to them.
I look forward to your detailed thesis paper.
37818
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Did God lie? ". . . the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." -- Genesis 3:22.
Genesis 3:22 and mankind's sinful nature
37818
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You are mistaken. Your argument is based on interpretation. Not what the Bible actually teaches.
Genesis 3:22 and mankind's sinful nature
Alan Gross
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IS NOT God's Knowledge.
Chapter 10: Of the Wisdom of God
Chapter 11: Of the Will of God, and its Sovereignty
Wait, are you claiming that you don't ever interpret?
Well then, I guess you can't tell us your interpretation of any passage in scripture, which means you have no rational thought on the Bible and cannot judge anyone as to whether their thoughts are rational or not.
Now, where is that thesis paper you wrote that explains in detail how Arminians and Calvinists have no rational thought to their understanding of the Bible? I will wait your explanation since in your OP you make such a claim.
Frankly, I expect you will never share any data since your entire assertion is hyperbolic ignorance.
I read your hyperlink. Everything you wrote in that post was based on your interpretation of what the Bible says. The question is whether your interpretation holds any water or if it is empty of any rational thought.
Since you claim all Arminians and all Calvinists have never had any rational thought to their interpretation of scripture, you must therefore prove your assertion.
I await your thesis paper on your assertion.
37818
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". . . And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. . . ." -- Genesis 2:9. So from who did God get it from?
37818
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Two issues. There is what a text actually says. And what is said to be interpreted to also mean, beyond what a text simply says.
37818
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One thing I said that you think is not true and your evidence that what I said is the case of not being true.
Please prove your OP assertion. We wait...
Alan Gross
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“Known unto God are all His works
from the beginning of the world”
(Acts 15:18).
From Eternity Past.
Then I was by Him, as One brought up with Him:
and I was daily His Delight, rejoicing always before Him, Always;
(Proverbs 8:30)
So you are interpreting what a text actually says without regard to context. Correct?
What does the following text actually say?
*Luke 4:7*
If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”
Context will give the correct interpretation, but you irrationally demand the text to fully explain itself with nothing else needed.
I await your thesis.
37818
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Do you believe both a correct view and an incorrect view can both rational?
You believe Ephesians 1:3-4 speaks of election of elect, when it doesn't.
37818
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How does any of this prove the knowledge of good and evil is not God's.
37818
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No. All texts have context.
Share with us your rational theology since you deem the great thinkers of theology to be dimwits in your presence.