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The Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
in that Effectual Call, by The Holy Spirit,
in the beginning of CONVERSION, by The WORD of GOD.

Then, in THE EFFECTUAL CALL,
the Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
to the extent that
God GRANTS them REPENTANCE
and FAITH to BELIEVE in The GOSPEL,
The Power of God unto SALVATION,

and The GODHEAD's ELECTION and EFFECTUAL CALLING
HAVE SUCCEEDED PERFECTLY.

THE BELIEVER is SEALED by The HOLY SPIRIT.

This is The NEW BIRTH, REGENERATION,
and JUSTIFICATION.

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The ORDER of, "How God Saves souls", is here:


The Triune Godhead Elected.

"whom He did Predestinate" Romans 8:30

The Triune Godhead Effectually Calls

"them He Calls..." Romans 8:28, 30.

The Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
in that Effectual Call, by The Holy Spirit,
in the beginning of CONVERSION, by The WORD of GOD.

Romans 3:10
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

Ephesians 1:13a "In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:


The Spiritually Dead sinner
is GIVEN UNDERSTANDING of CONVICTION,
to the extent that
God GRANTS them REPENTANCE
and FAITH to BELIEVE in The GOSPEL,
The Power of God unto SALVATION,

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened,
who were dead in trespasses and sins;"

Acts 20:21
"Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks,
repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans 1:16
" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

and The GODHEAD's ELECTION and EFFECTUAL CALLING
HAVE SUCCEEDED PERFECTLY.

30 "Then I was by Him, as One brought up with Him:
and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him"

THE BELIEVER is SEALED by The HOLY SPIRIT.

Ephesians 1:13b "...in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were Sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

This is The NEW BIRTH, REGENERATION,
and JUSTIFICATION.

Romans 8:30c "whom He called, them He also Justified:"

GLORIFICATION is in the Future in man's view.

Romans 8:30c "and whom He Justified, them He also Glorified."

 

This, by saying:

"the things" is referring to, "BIG THINGS", as in, "SPIRITUAL".

Your Bible Given criteria for, "how can they be illuminated at all?",
would be, "in a Spiritually Born-In", DIVINE NATURE.

2 Peter 1:3-4
King James Version

3 According as His Divine Power
hath given unto us
all things that pertain unto life and godliness,

through the knowledge of Him
that hath called us to Glory and Virtue:

4 Whereby are Given unto us
exceeding great and precious promises:

that by these
ye might be Partakers of the Divine Nature,

having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."


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To that extent, they are not, "illuminated".

Nothing SPIRITUALLY IN-BORN
that by these
"ye might be Partakers of the Divine Nature."

 

They stand on the 'beech', of their Life,
and throw 'the rock' of their ABILITY toward Europe

and.......fall short.

Next question.

 

The OFFER STANDS.

By Keeping The Eternal Moral Law of the Universe,
from CONCEPTION,

and you are In Like Flynn, to your New Home in Heaven.

 

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What does the Bible say about the free gift?


"The free gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23;

"By grace you have been saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."
Ephesians 2:8;

"Let the one who wishes
take the water of life without cost." Revelations 22:17.

 

In the unforgivable sin there seems to be a more willful denial and a more full knowledge of who God is and the need for repentance. It is more than someone who just doesn't think it's true in other words.

"Thus there are many in the present day who have the greatest abhorrence to the doctrine of the Gospel, and yet, if they knew it to be the doctrine of the Gospel, would be prepared to venerate it with their whole heart. But those who are convinced in conscience that what they repudiate and impugn is the word of God, and yet cease not to impugn it, are said to blaspheme against the Spirit, insomuch as they struggle against the illumination which is the work of the Spirit. ..... The spirit of blasphemy is therefore, when a man audaciously and of set purpose, rushes forth to insult his divine name."

Now I don't know why every simple question falls back into a Calvinism-Arminianism debate. As a Calvinist, you do not have to give up all belief in real time meaningful interaction with God where your decisions make a difference. The above quote is from John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, Chapter 3, Section 22.

 

Alan you think the DoG are good and that is your choice or rather you have been determined to think that way but I do not look at them the same way that you do. They do not comport with the character of God. What you call the DoG I would be more inclined to call the doctrines of disgrace. They take the love of God and turn it on it's head. But I find much of calvinism is very elitist in the way they handle scripture and in regard to who and how one is saved.

 

As I have said before, you read scripture through the lens of your calvinism. It seems you have a preconceived idea and then you go looking for a verse that you think will support your view. That type of proof texting can be used to prove any view one wants as we see in all the cults out there JW's Mormons etc.

 

So, you turn that all around,
where it will do some good.

 

Smile, Silverhead, God does not Love Essau.

 

I think you use the phrase "Christ did not die for their sins" to mean Christ did not die as payment for all their sins. On the other hand if the phrase means Christ died to become the means of salvation for all humanity, then the phrase is valid in light of a sin that precludes salvation.

Secondly, what if the unforgivable sin is to reject Christ?

Finally think of "live" faith as "faithful faith" i.e. a belief that is not superficial, but deeply rooted in commitment. For example a person says, " i trust in Christ" but never actually trusts Christ with all that they possess?

 

Alan then if it is a command as you say and since God's commands can not be resisted then why is everyone not saved? Are you now putting forward a universalist view?

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This is another command of God. Are we to take this as you say? Or are we to see this is the light of the message of God that all those that desire to come to Him may?

 

Dave it is not all questions falling back into that debate. When a theological; view distorts what the bible teaches that that needs to be pointed out. Would you not agree? Even your Calvin quote shows that man has the ability to accept or reject the gospel message via their own free will.

 

Misreading scripture again Alan.

 

People are condemned because they sin. The only way to be able to stand before a perfectly holy God is to be perfectly holy. The only way for a sinner - by nature, by practice, and by choice - to stand perfectly holy before God is to have a perfect righteousness in which God can find no flaw - and that is the righteousness of Christ imputed to the sinner's account, the person's sins also having been imputed to Christ and Christ having paid the debt for them.

 

The General Call to all of Mankind is never answered and only leaves the lost sinner guilty.

This:

"Or are we to see this is the light of the message of God that all those that desire to come to Him may?"

is right, because God Gives the Desire, Spiritually, that they don't have otherwise.

That Effectual Call is never resisted.

 

Essau, Haman, and Cain
have been in Hell a long time.