Gaza terrorism by Israel

Israel has the right to defend itself.

Unlike the attack on Israel (where women and children were killed....women raped and killed...children decapitated....kidnapped....) Israel is responding to an attack.

And the attack is by the government of Gaza (Hamas).


We have to remember that the government of the Gaza Strip holds a position that Israel should not exist.


Now, how is Israel attacking Gaza? They are spreading flyers for citizens to leave an area before they attack. They fire "dud" missiles before an attack. They broadcast as a public service message warnings on the cellular network so civilians can leave before an attack.


The question is whether there is such a thing as a just war.

Then the question is whether Israel (and Jews worldwide) have a right to live, and if so can they defend themselves?


Part of the issue is the propaganda of Israel's occupation of Palestine land. When we think that we think that Israel occupies actual Palestinian land. But they don't. What Palestine means is that Israel occupies Israel, which they want to be Palestine.


Put it closer to us:

If Mexico was hitting California with missiles, entering California and killing civilians....should the US respond?

If the US was bombing Canada, killing, raping, and kidnapping Canadian civilians, should Canada respond?

Now, pretend that this has been going on for a decade but just escalated.


The issue is this seems to just getting started. Israel needs to end Hamas, at least, in order to protect its citizens.

Then there is Hezbollah - which is dedicated to the inhalation of Jews worldwide. Then there is Iran.


I guess the answer to your question would be the answer you would give if a neighboring country came into your city, rapped and killed your mother and wife, beheaded your children and grand children, and kidnapped your brother. And they did this across your country.

Would you expect your country to respond?

 

Warning residents that you are going to blow up apartment buildings and schools, urging them to leave, because their government is using apartments, schools and hospitals to store weapons is defending your citizens.

Hamas is not a government with no power hiding in basements. They use civilians. This is fairly common.


Again, you need to answer the question.

Suppose a neighboring country entered your city, raped and killed your wife, kidnapped your brother, decapitated your children, bombed neighboring buildings, slaughtered young men and women at a concert, and did this across your country.

Suppose this government was storing their weapons and soldiers in apartment buildings, schools and hospitals. That government is using civilians as a shield, or more properly a political tool to galvanize like-minded neighboring countries.

Suppose the reason they did this is that they believe you should not exist.

Now....your country decides it has to respond. So it drops leaflets urging civilians to leave a specific area, it sends messages on the cellular network urging people to leave a specific area, it sends "dummy" missiles letting people know which buildings will be targeted, and it warns that a full scale attack will occur in 24 hours.

Meanwhile your neighbors are still dying.

What would you tell your government to make them stand down?

 

No need to be a smart-alec. This is already a quite sensitive topic.

I perfectly understood what xisdraw meant with his one word.

Here is how it is dad2:

• LIke JonC said, Israel has sent word and written messages for the people in Gaza to move southward for their own sake. That's been reported and is still being reported in reputable sources even as late as this morning.
• Hamas is telling the Gaza people to "stay put". Why?!?! The only reason would be that the deaths of Gaza civilians would stir up the anti-Semitism across the world in universities, message boards online, churches, and more

Hamas does not CARE about the people of Gaza. In fact, the more people of Gaza who die in the war, the better they like it. It brings sympathy from the anti-Semites to them.

And it's working.

 

To be fair, if it's good bologna it makes for a great sandwich.

 

Off topic. We are not talking about some criminal held up in a basement. We are talking about Hamas.

If your point is that the civilians support Hamas, then from what I have seen I agree.

It does not matter when the Hamas rockets stopped. The point is to keep them from restarting.



I will ask again.....if it were your wife rapped and killed, your children decapitated, your father kidnapped, your neighbors bummed......what would you expect of your government?

To fire until they stop and wait for them to restart?

To allow then to kill families in your country until there are none left?


You are also wrong about defense.

Destroying the weapons used to kill your citizens is defending your country, even if there are civilian casualties.

You may know a better way, but you are wrong to say it is not defence.

 

Now we get to it.

Anyway,

To address your earlier question....yes, Hamas has continued firing rockets into Israel.


Israel did not take land occupied by Islamic friends.

The US, Canada, and the UK were instrumental in the establishment of Palestine and Israel. Even so, the neighboring Islamic nations attacked Israel. Guess what. Israel won, but did not keep the conquered land. They agreed that Palestine and Israel should exist.

You also have to remember that even more than what is now Israel was Israel land before there was even Muslim nations.


So going back in time to pre WW2 doesn't help. If we do that then Canada, the US, the UK, France ..none of these countries have a right to defend themselves. Every nation displaced another.


What you have is an Islamic terrorist government in Gaza and an Islamic terrorist organization in Lebanon (funded by Iran) attacking Israel because they hold an ideology that the Jews should not exist and should be eradicated worldwide.


Your solution is let Israel die (I take it you would include Jews in the US and Canada as well). I like Israel's solution of Israel and a Palestinian state. People differ on this topic.

But the bottom line is Israel, Canada, the UK, the US, France, and Germany are all countries.....regardless of how they came to be.

I have to ask......why is it OK to decapitate Jewish babies but not OK to destroy an apartment building after urging the residents repeatedly to leave?

 

But Israel is not killing children. Hamas is. Hamas is using Israel to kill children (Israel has been urging them to leave, Hamas has been telling them not to leave).


Rockets were intercepted by Israel this afternoon. There was an attack (on the ground) south of Jerusalem this afternoon.


By your account, WW2 was wrong. The US should have allowed the Nazis to accomplish their goals because civilians were killed in the war.

That is not sustainable


And prophecy does not mean inaction.



Either way children will die.

It is not a matter of choosing which children.

It is a matter of deciding whether a nation has the right to defend itself against terrorists.



There are two choices -

1. Allow Islamic groups to eradicate Israel - raping and killing women, decapitating children, killing men.....until Israel no longer exists....and then continuing their stated goal to eradicate Jews worldwide.

2. Israel needs to defend itself and end the present threat against them.

You vote #1. I vote #2.

We have to agree to disagree.

 

This thread is revealing.

Hey ...yesterday I was at Times Square. Looks like I just missed the antisemite rally.

Have you read the Harvard student statements against Israel?

 

I disagree.

First, you are wrong about God not asking people to kill civilians (obviously), but I am not making this some type of holy war (that isn't my argument).

My argument is that a nation has the right to defend itself even against an Islamic nation that will use citizens as a shield to gain support with other Islamic nations.

Why you expect Israel to simply allow Hamas to kill its citizens is beyond me. I don't get that.

I do get that deaths (civilian and soldiers) on both sides is a bad thing. It is sad.

But your solution - that Israel not defend itself because civilians will die and instead simply allow its civilians die is not something I can agree with.