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No indeed. And you forgot John 5:16. All the verses you quoted are (of course) true, but until the time determined by God for the Lord Jesus to die had come, all their efforts were futile (John 7:30; 8:20; 10:39).
And consider:
Acts 4:27-28. 'For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.'

Philippians 2:5-8. '...... Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men, and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.'

Isaiah 53 :10. 'Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.'

In fact, it was you and I who killed Christ.
Isaiah 53:6. 'All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one, to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.' If we had not sinned, God need not have sent our Lord to die in our place.

 

Well that worked well for him, didn't it? Do you really think that the devil is such a brainless idiot?

No indeed. But he is not stupid either and does have great power (eg. Luke 4:5-9). He would certainly have been aware of our Lord's words in, for example, Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:33-34. I've told you this before, but I will repeat it just once more in case you missed it. In Luke 4:13, that the devil departed from Christ until an opportune time. What more opportune time than Gethsemane? So what was Satan tempting our Lord to do? What was he saying to Him? "Yes, Jesus, obey your Father and go to the cross! Don't be afraid; it won't hurt much, and your Father is sure to come and rescue you!" Is that what you think?
Or was he not rather saying, "You don't have to go through with this ghastly ordeal! If You are of equal deity to God, prove it! Tell Him you won't do it!"
And when Christ was hanging on the cross, why weren't all the people saying, "Stay up there, Jesus! God will surely come and rescue You!" But they didn't. What made me absolutely certain about this question was preaching through Gethsemane and the cross this Easter, and noting the words of everybody (apart from Mary and John) who saw Him. Read for yourself Mark 15:29-32, and then Luke 23:36-37.

i think you'll find that you are and you do.

Now you are being silly, but to be pedantic, no one can kill God. The Lord Jesus 'gave up [literally, 'dismissed'] His Spirit' (John 19:30).

We have reached the point where we are just repeating ourselves. This is definitely my last post on this thread.

 

15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3

@Martin Marprelate

You reject this portion of scripture as being false: "thou shalt bruise his heel"

Do you reject this portion of scripture also?: "he shall bruise thy head"

 

..in lieu of having the intestinal fortitude to admit how wrong you are.

 

No He did not.

Jesus did say, in Revelation 3:16; "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Death swallowed humanity?

Death did not swallow perfect Divinity.

Death did not vomit up humanity.

Death is death and did not have power to cause the resurrection, death had no rational connection with the resurrection at all, and death did not vomit up humanity, to ipso facto cause anything but more death, least of all anything related to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

To say, " death caused Jesus resurrection" is beyond ludicrous.

"Death is therefore forced to vomit up humanity, hence the resurrection."

God raised Jesus from the dead and released Him from death.

Acts 2:24
"But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches."

All of the Trinity was involved in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Triune Godhead raised Jesus from the dead and the The Resurrection of Jesus Christ was not caused by death itself, Satan, and did not involve any sacrilegious, irreverent, profane "vomiting", of any kind, any where, at any time.

God the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
(Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15, 26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:30, 33, 34, 37).

God raised Him up again:
(Rom. 4:24; 6:4 [through the glory of the Father]); 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1; Col. 2:12).

I Corinthians 6:14; "And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power."

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

1 Corinthians 15:15-20
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:..."

The Spirit of God raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 6:10-11. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

Romans 8:11; "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Son Himself lays down His life and takes it up again —

17 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Romans 1:4 “And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:"

Verse 4. "And declared to be the Son of God",....He, the Son of God, who existed as such, from everlasting, was manifested in the flesh, or human nature: and this his divine sonship, and proper deity, are declared and made evident,

with, or "by"

[his] power; which has appeared in the creation of all things out of nothing; in upholding all things in their beings; in the government of the world, and works of Providence; in the miracles he wrought; in his performing the great work of redemption; in the success of his Gospel, to the conversion of sinners; and in the preservation of his churches and people: here it seems chiefly to regard the power of Christ in raising the dead, since it follows, and which is to be connected with this clause,

by the resurrection from the dead; ... the resurrection of his own body, which dying he had power to raise up again, and did; and which declared him to be, or clearly made it appear that he was the Son of God, a divine person, truly and properly God: and this was done

according to the Spirit of holiness; .. by the Spirit of holiness may be meant the divine nature of Christ, which, as it is holy, so by it Christ offered himself to God, and by it was quickened, or made alive, when he had been put to death in the flesh; and which must be a clear and strong proof of his being truly the Son of God.

 

The Triune Godhead raised Jesus from the dead and the The Resurrection of Jesus Christ was not caused by Death itself, the inability for Death to digest Christ' body, or by Death having to vomit the body up, or by Death holding Christ until He(?) (who might that capital H, for He be?), vomited Him up and did not involve any sacrilegious, irreverent, profane talk like, "death could not digest Christ", "therefore Death had to vomit Christ' body up", as if Death caused the accomplishment of Jesus' resurrection and achieved for Him to power to be raised from the dead, in any way, any where, at any time.

 

Right.

True that!

The analogy that Jesus draws regarding his death is clear that Jesus makes no mention that He is going to be "swallowed by death and then vomited out".

So, we just need to leave that to a degenerate.

You said, "the devil".

You sound as if you believe the devil has the attribute of resoluteness, in the power of death.

I see the verse you're talking about, but I'm beginning to feel more confident by the minute, to not believe a word you say.

John 10:17 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:14.

from: Hebrews 2 Gill's Exposition

"that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; the devil is said to have the power of death, not because he can kill and destroy men at pleasure, but because he was the first introducer of sin, which brought death into the world, and so he was a murderer from the beginning; and he still tempts men to sin, and then accuses them of it, and terrifies and affrights them with death; and by divine permission has inflicted it,: ...and this he has done by death; "by his (Jesus') own death", as the Syriac and Arabic versions read; whereby he has abolished death itself, and sin the cause of it, and so Satan, whose empire is supported by it.

Is this what your imagery comes up with?

"Jesus says that his death is an act of murder by the devil".

Jesus said what?

Jesus said His death was an act of murder?

Jesus said He was murdered by the devil?

Really?

Jesus sees what?

Is this one of those, "that's the way it is in the Eyes of God", things?

It's beginning to sound like one.

Judas, Pilate, the Jews and soldiers did deliver up Jesus to be crucified and they were all most certainly influenced by Satan to do so.

However, Satan didn't work out any kind of murdering scheme that wasn't

1.) the absolutely determined will of the Lord Jesus, God of the Universe,

and 2.) The Activity of God in His Omnipotent Providence.

Your Satan you seemingly want to exalt, is a miniscule pawn, that had a role to play, just as a sideshow idiosyncrasy used by God in His overall Eternal Plan.

Satan is doomed.

Acts 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"

"Him being delivered,"....

1.) By himself, according to his own will, for he gave, or delivered himself for his people;

2.) and by his Father, who spared him not, but delivered him up for us all;

3.) and by Judas, one of his disciples, who, for a sum of money, delivered him into the hands of the Jews;

4.) and by them he was delivered up to Pilate, the Roman governor; and by him

5.) back again to the Jews, and to the soldiers, to crucify him:

"and all this by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God;

"God not only foreknew that it would be, but determined that it should be, who does all things after the counsel of his own will;

"and this for the salvation of his people,

"and for the glorifying of his divine perfections:

 

O.K. Martin Marprelate usually posts things by which I can Worship God and I appreciate them!

Praise the God of the Bible!

Hello! The appearance of Spiritual nourishment, in a barren wasteland.

Refreshing my soul!!!

Satan had people deliver Jesus up to be crucified.

I believe the Record is, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Why would He die, if it wasn't the wages of sin???

There we go, popping out the "explicitly states" motto.

Abraham didn't lay a hand on Isaac, you tell me.

Abraham didn't strike anybody and wasn't going to strick anybody.

Correct interpretation.

Done!

hallelujah, praise God, praise the Lord, hosanna, alleluia, glory be, praise be, heaven be praised, thanks be to God, thank God, bless the Lord, thank heaven, hurray, hurrah!

"the Son's suffering was the deserved suffering of an Innocent Person, Who could never have experienced death, if it had not been the the sins and sin-guiltiness of a guilty person, me, having been imputed to His Being, causing His vicariously deserved suffering, as my substitute, and ultimately His Sacrificial and Satisfactory death on the cross, in my place.

Behold! I love it!

To borrow the Genesis passage and add some things into it;

"So now, it was not you, Satan, by your Determinant Counsel, who sent me Jesus, to the cross, here, but God, by His Determinant Counsel and Foreknowledge ........... But as for you, Satan, Judas, Pilate, the Jews, the soldiers, you by wicked hands, meant evil against me, by delivering Me up to be crucified in your Fallen Angel and human responsibility; but ultimately in His Omnipotent Providence, God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive."

Wow.

Who Woke You Up and Provoked you unto Love and Good Works????

God predestined?

the salvation of many?

God predestined for the salvation of many???

Those are true statements coming from you!

I'm ready for bed, now

 

Here I thought it was just the time required by Jews to be officially dead? Matthew 27:63

"Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

That is all those people got from Jesus.

If anything, Jonah was the antithesis of Jesus.

Jesus would have used something from the OT his audience would relate to. Personally I think the only point was the one they remembered, the length of time.

But if we are speculating, the means by which Jonah experienced his 3 days, was to get Jonah back on track. Since it took 3 days, then Jonah had traveled 3 days in the wrong direction, and I think that God purposely let Jonah get 3 days across the Mediterranean, to prove a point. The very point that Jesus needed to be in the grave for 3 days.

"Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."

Jonah was the epitome of disobedience. Jesus was the epitome of obedience.

The sign of Jonah was that God can resurrect the dead. God can even save and show mercy to 120,000 humans who repent.

Obviously those who were responsible for the death of Jesus, did not repent, nor turn from their wickedness. They never could acknowledge that God raised Jesus from the dead, just like Jonah was given another chance by going through the valley of the shadow of death to get back on track. Jonah never appreciated what God did either. Jonah was like those of Jesus day who rejected their Messiah.

While Jonah, reluctantly carried out God's will and a city was saved, so those who crucified Jesus carried out God's plan for the redemption of mankind.

 

<sigh> Jonah is the type; Jesus is the antitype.

 

I don't think crucifixion was the death that Satan actually wanted if Satan indeed wanted Jesus dead. Satan would never be able to simply kill Jesus, not even with the Cross. That was God's plan, not Satan's.

That is evident in trying to get Jesus to disobey, then God would have to kill Jesus prematurely, so to speak. I doubt the argument was/is about Satan wanting Jesus dead.

The argument is that the Cross was the means of Satan crushing Jesus, and that would be a resounding: NO.

How was Satan tempting Jesus a fatal wound? That was the only chance Satan was given to "bruise his heal".

Satan is not mentioned once in Isaiah 53.

There is still going to be a time when Jesus, in obedience to God, may have to turn over the entire kingship of earth to Satan, and surely Satan will spin that as a defeat to both Jesus and God, as Satan convinces humanity he is now "God". So the bruising of the heal is certainly not totally fulfilled. Even when Satan is defeated and bound for a thousand years, God still allows one more chance to bruise his heal. Satan leads a human rebellion once more against the authority of Jesus and the kingdom.

Three times in history, where Satan is crushed and defeated.

 

So we are to be disobedient, instead of obedient?

I specifically said antithesis to avoid the boring and misleading theological explanation everyone brings up as their understanding.

I think you have your heroes mislabeled.

 

John 10:17-20

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?"

This argument that Satan orchestrated the death sounds close to those of that day which argued Jesus was mad and possessed of Satan.

Jesus had already pointed out that it was not man nor Satan who orchestrated. I assume you mean "planned this all out". If we are going with God's sovereignty why not say God allowed Satan to think that, and you are just as decieved about it as Satan was?

I also differ from theology, and state that God Himself was on the Cross. Jesus claimed that only He as God could lay down His own physical life and literally die. That no man could take it from Him, nor give it back. Only God did that in God's plan from before creation. That was the command that Jesus was to obey. That is still Isaiah 53 in motion. Satan was not exempt from that point by being an angel and not a man. Jesus was not possessed by Satan to die on the Cross. Satan did not plan it out, God did. Even to the point of Judas being possessed by Satan to earn money by turning Jesus over to the priests. Genesis 22:8

"And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together."

Why did Abraham lie to Isaac, when Abraham knew Isaac was the sacrifice? Abraham also knew that Isaac would be raised from the dead, if necessary, because that Lamb was a seed of Isaac. Abraham knew that Lamb was as much the Son of God as Isaac was his own son. If Isaac was dead, so was the promised seed.

Paul pointed this out:

"By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure."

"Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son."

 

It's not about 'us'.

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