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John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

It can' t be a resurrection, but they're still dead, they're just not in the grave, but it is still a type of resurrection.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Question... How can they hear the voice of the Son Of God, if its the preacher?... Brother Glen

Dead men don't make choices only live ones do!

 

My response was on the issue of sovereignty of God in dealing with men and though you have obviously disagreed with my objections you answered none of my questions. Why would God, being sovereign over all things, need to reconcile anyone? Surely you do not teach and believe that God has created all men as sinners in violation of his thrice holy character, do you?

 

Not sure what you are referring to with regard to over reacting. I do know that this is a common intentional misrepresentation by calves. I said nothing to Ken but to the article itself. I think you have misread my intentions. It might be that you should ask before assuming.

 

He also said this and I will highlight the salient truth that evokes my question to you.

Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him (God the Father) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he (God the Father) that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his (God the Father's) Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Why isn't the body D-E-A-D as you define death? If Adam dying spiritually by the Spirit leaving his body when he sinned, as you have rightly said, and his offspring being alive by receiving the Spirit of God the Father that quickens their mortal bodies at a much later time than their physical births and if Adam was the son of God (lk3:38) because the Spirit of God the Father dwelt in him from his creation and he died spiritually when he sinned causing the Spirit of God the Father to be dismissed from his body? Doesn't this force us to conclude that the definition of the spiritual death of Adam was a separation of the Spirit of God the Father from the body isf the receiving of his Spirit is life from the dead as the text says? And does the language above force us to conclude that renewal from the fallen image we receive from our father Adam at birth is accomplished when we received the image of God our father by being born as his son into his family when we are given the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ, whose blood washes away our sin?

Your false doctrines of death and life will always blind your mind that you cannot see these glorious truths that have been wrought because of the grace and mercy and love of God our Father through his Son Jesus Christ, except you repent.

How do we receive the Spirit?

Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Not through election or through regeneration or predestination or baptism or church membership, but through simple faith in Jesus Christ.

 

intentional?!? Ken posted this article… why May I ask? Should he continue in his common intentional misrepresentation posts?

 

Stop. The text in Romans says the body is dead without the Spirit BUT the body is quickened by the Spirit of God the Father in it.

Stop. Creature righteousness?? That is made up. I know of no doctrine that states creature righteousness.

I quoted a passage from Romans 8 that says plainly that the mortal body is dead until it is quickened by the presence of the Spirit in it. Then I quoted a passage from Galatians 3 that says we receive the promise of the Spirit by faith. You are making the unbiblical argument that the body is quickened by regeneration and faith and not by the Spirit as the texts I quoted plainly says. Now the text in Romans 8 says iif a man has not the Spirit of God the Father he is none of his.

But, we are drifting away from the reason for my beginning to comment. It was what you said about the sovereignty of God. I disagreed with your premise It is my argument that if God is acting on complete sovereignty then none of this matters to any of us. Nothing can change what he has determined and he has determined every thing. Why am I wrong about this?

 

Using verses out of context does not help your @KenH. You have walked down the road of error and you think to take others with you. Sad really really sad.

 

EVERY SINGLE passage quoted here has got ZERO to do with the so called, "Reformed" UNBIBLICAL teaching of "election to salvation"!

As usual, the Bible is being FORCED to say what it Does NOT!

 

That’s not his intention. He just told you his belief system, nothing more. I don’t see him promoting it…perhaps I’m wrong here. But he is what he says he is, a Hyper-Calvinist- a full on predestination believer.And then, this is where every Child of God must look to scripture to either prove or disprove this stance.

 

...mine was also.

Of course we disagree, and we always will. I'm not going to change, and neither are you. Argument is futile (unless one just likes to argue for argument's sake which many do, I don't).

As far as your 'objections', they're all rooted in the same old humanistic reasonings of today's anti-Cals that Paul answered in Romans:

"Is there unrighteousness with God?"

"Why doth he still find fault?"

29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecc 7

 

Please explain for me if you will the difference between providence and predestination.

 

Absolutely

 

I agree that he is just putting forward his theological view. But and this is where we differ, I think it is necessary to point out the errors of his view as regards the biblical view. Should we not confront JW's or Mormons or Muslim's?

@KenH may have strong feelings about his views but when they are wrong they are wrong and need to be pointed out as so.

 

God predestines people not events, it is a whom not a what... Brother Glen

Romans 11:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Absolute predestination of all things is a lie!... Did God cause Adam and Eve to sin and them punish because they did?... And then there is this!

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

 

So by your own words you have made God the only real sinner as He controls all that happens. Your version of God has decreed all that will or can happen since He does not merely react to what man does and there are no random events.