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Featured Supralapasarian "Hyper-Calvinism" Defended

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Feb 29, 2024.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    When God brought me under the hearing the gospel, and the Holy Spirit regenerated me, and gave me eyes to see and ears to hear, and granted me the gifts of repentance toward God and faith toward Christ.
     
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    Well he is Canadian LOL. How he got to Northern NJ I will never know. But God has a sense of humor. They are planning to put a dump right behind this church… only in Northern New Jersey :Laugh
     
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    @SavedByGrace, you're the one that's SERIOUSLY DELUDED:

    23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, Ro 9
     
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    Romans 9:17-18 & Romans 9:21 supports the supralapsarian position.

    Romans 9:23 supports the infralapsarian position.

    I don't lose any sleep over it.
     
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    I don't either. The outcome is the same either way.
     
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    The infra and supra conversation is simply over the order of the decrees of God, and single predestination or double predestination, not over the Biblical doctrine of election. Thus, both support the Biblical doctrine of predestination, or as it is sometimes called, absolute predestination.
     
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    Yea, ratchet down the caffeine :Laugh
     
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    Naaa. I’m an old man. I can’t sleep any way, so why not occupy time delving for answers. It’s what I do. :p
     
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    I go to sleep quickly enough, but sometimes I wake up around 5:00 and don't get back to sleep. My alarm is set at 6:30 to make the dogs happy. Sometimes I find that taking 3 mg of melatonin or drinking 8 ounces of tart cherry juice just before bedtime can help me sleep on through closer to the alarm time.
     
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    Well the dog wakes me up to go out at about midnight then he won’t leave me alone till I give him a meal. Thank heavens for eggs (fresh from my chickens). Then I’m up and so I make tea or coffee which keeps me awake till around 5AM. The chickens start to rise at 6-630am and they need to go out of the coop quickly least the coop is covered with poop. It gets exhausting, but that’s how I get eggs for my breakfast and my wifes
    and the dogs. Then I get a nap that I need after lunch. That’s my life after retirement :Coffee
     
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    It doesn't say that :eek:
     
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    I agree that God predestined certain individuals to be saved & do special service for Him, but all others who were, are, or will be saved must come to belief and submission to Jesus. And I posted several "whoever" verses in another thread proving salvation is open to all living. The calvinist version of predestination is pure jive.
     
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    Ephesians 1:4 says "before the foundation of the world." I dare say is before the fall. It is my understanding Supralapsarian has that meaning.
     
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    The verse itself explains exactly what is meant

    that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

    This is ALL that it means
     
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    Not all it means. It also has a when God chose us in Christ for His purpose. . . . as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be . . . . As it says.
     
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    IF, the Bible does teach, which it most certainly DOES NOT, that God has "chosen some to salvation", without their need to REPENT of their sins, and BELIEVE in Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord; then MUCH of what the Bible does teach elsewhere, is quite USELESS!
     
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