Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us

[CJP69]

That is odd. Church history knows nothing of the sort!

Is there any chance that you're going to answer the question I asked?

 

[Silverhair]

I think John said it well, He {Jesus} will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Luke 3:16-17

One will be baptized by the Holy Spirit for salvation, those that believe and by fire for judgement, those that do not believe.

 

[Craigbythesea]

I think John said it well, He {Jesus} will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Luke 3:16-17

One will be baptized by the Holy Spirit for salvation, those that believe and by fire for judgement, those that do not believe.

Did you not notice that this thread is about what Peter wrote concerning water baptism—and not about Jesus baptizing us with the Holy Spirit and fire?

 

[Silverhair]

Did you not notice that this thread is about what Peter wrote concerning water baptism—and not about Jesus baptizing us with the Holy Spirit and fire?

Yes I did but what Peter says has to agree with what actual baptism is would you not agree?

Or do you think 1Pe 3:21 is indicating another form of baptism?

 

[kyredneck]

One will be baptized by the Holy Spirit for salvation, those that believe and by fire for judgement, those that do not believe.

Wrong.

'Belief' is not in the context. It's whether one belongs to the devil or not, whether one is 'His wheat' or 'the chaff' - Romans 9:21-23.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of repentance:
9 and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. Mt 3

No mention of faith here.

 

[CJP69]

Wrong.

'Belief' is not in the context. It's whether one belongs to the devil or not, whether one is 'His wheat' or 'the chaff' - Romans 9:21-23.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of repentance:
9 and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. Mt 3

No mention of faith here.

Romans 9 isn't even about any individual's salvation anyway. Romans 9 is about the nation of Israel being cut off because of unbelief. Romans 9 is Jeremiah 18 being applied to the NATION of Israel. It isn't about how, why or whether some particular person gets saved or not.

Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is

 

[Silverhair]

Wrong.

'Belief' is not in the context. It's whether one belongs to the devil or not, whether one is 'His wheat' or 'the chaff' - Romans 9:21-23.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of repentance:
9 and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
12 whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. Mt 3

No mention of faith here.

So when is one baptized with the Holy Spirit? Who are the wheat and who are the chaff?

 

[kyredneck]

Romans 9 isn't even about any individual's salvation anyway. Romans 9 is about the nation of Israel being cut off because of unbelief. Romans 9 is Jeremiah 18 being applied to the NATION of Israel. It isn't about how, why or whether some particular person gets saved or not.

Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is

Evidently, Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is

 

[Silverhair]

Evidently, Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is

Trust what the bible says KY not what you want it to say.

 

[kyredneck]

So when is one baptized with the Holy Spirit?

The prophet is speaking to corporate Israel. This baptism of the spirit began at Pentecost. The baptism of fire was the tribulation that came upon 'that generation' on whom all the blood shed on the land came upon (Matthew 23:33-36), "even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees" - 1 Thessalonians 2:15-16.

 

[Silverhair]

The prophet is speaking to corporate Israel. This baptism of the spirit began at Pentecost. The baptism of fire was the tribulation that came upon 'that generation' on whom all the blood shed on the land came upon (Matthew 23:33-36), "even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees" - 1 Thessalonians 2:15-16.

When are people judged and cast into hell KY?

 

[CJP69]

Evidently, Romans 9 Isn't What You Think It Is

Evidently?

I'd probably pass out if anyone on this website ever presented me with actual evidence against a single syllable of what I've said in that post, or most anything else I say for that matter! It seems that all you people have is single sentence quips that are completely bereft of anything but you own vapid person opinions that not even you care enough about to establish with anything that resembles an actual argument.

Color me bored!

 

[MrW]

I didn't notice that it was a link. I thought you were asking the question.

Dozens?

 

[CJP69]

Dozens?

Jews used to baptize everyone and everything in any number of ways and for all kinds of reasons.

They would baptize a couch before sitting on it if they felt the situation called for it.